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#61 koolkatluke

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Posted 19 October 2010 - 03:26 PM

Until you stop struggling with the "too" and "to" differences, none of your posts will be taken seriously. I don't know why people even bother reading your posts you have not been right on any one thing you have said.


Your not a panther fan so I really don't care what you think.

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Posted 19 October 2010 - 03:27 PM

Your not a panther fan so I really don't care what you think.


You're not a panther fan...

But again good try.

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Posted 19 October 2010 - 03:30 PM

Better to have a fan with no grammar than a fan of a player over a team.

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Posted 19 October 2010 - 03:32 PM

So you assume I am only a Moore fan and not a Panther fan because why?

Because I was right in saying that he would start this week?

Because I wasn't on the Jimmy bandwagon?

Because I want to win some games this year?

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Posted 19 October 2010 - 03:33 PM

You're not a panther fan...

But again good try.


Put your membership on the line when matt is gone at the end of the season you leave 2.

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Posted 19 October 2010 - 03:36 PM

Put your membership on the line when matt is gone at the end of the season you leave 2.


I'm not trying to be mean but is that a question, a statement you are making, or a command you are giving me?

Please clarify.

Also, what happens if Moore isn't here and I am. Nothing. But you are really good at trying to play the bully with the bad grammar, the tough guy act, and the calling out of others.

#67 koolkatluke

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Posted 19 October 2010 - 04:10 PM

So you assume I am only a Moore fan and not a Panther fan because why?

Because I was right in saying that he would start this week?
Again it doesn't matter who starts we are still going 2 lose. For some reason your in a fantasy world. You feel it's better that we win 3 or 4 games this year and not have anything too build on for next season.



Because I wasn't on the Jimmy bandwagon?

Not that you weren't on his bandwagon but the fact that you were spewing hate 2 the point where it seem personal between you and Jimmy.



Because I want to win some games this year?


Yes you would rather win 4 or 5 games this year with Matt knowing him and Fox are gone. Messing up a top 3 pick and nothing 2 build on for next season.
My question 2 you is what is better for this team 4-12 or 5-11 under Matt where he is gone Fox is gone and we have maybe a top 10 pick a new coach and Jimmy has 3 games of exp. Or we go 1-15 maybe 3-13 with jimmy have a top 3 pick 2 help a new coach rebuild this team and jimmy has alot of game exp. Or we find out he's a bust and we use a top 3 pick and get us another QB.

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Posted 19 October 2010 - 05:08 PM

It's always better to win games. You are trying to sacrifice the experience other players need so Jimmy can get experience and that doesn't benefit the team.

Assuming Moore is gone (which isn't a guarantee) and Jimmy has played this whole year and we go 3-13. We find out Jimmy isn't the answer. Based on how Jimmy has played thus far our receivers aren't likely to develop much. We must rely on the run even more. Our RBs have an extra year or wear and tear on them. Now we draft another QB with a "top 3" pick and have another year of development. Same scenario plays out where receivers aren't able to develop and RBs are yet another year older. Defense is another year older.

So you tell me, what is really best for the team? I am going to choose winning games any day of the week.

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Posted 19 October 2010 - 05:11 PM

Yes you would rather win 4 or 5 games this year with Matt knowing him and Fox are gone. Messing up a top 3 pick and nothing 2 build on for next season.
My question 2 you is what is better for this team 4-12 or 5-11 under Matt where he is gone Fox is gone and we have maybe a top 10 pick a new coach and Jimmy has 3 games of exp. Or we go 1-15 maybe 3-13 with jimmy have a top 3 pick 2 help a new coach rebuild this team and jimmy has alot of game exp. Or we find out he's a bust and we use a top 3 pick and get us another QB.


You "know" Matt is gone just like so many "knew" last week that Jimmy was going to be the starter against the 49ers just like you "know" Jimmy is the future of the franchise.

Reality check.

You DON'T know wether Matt will or will not be here next year.
You DON'T know wether Jimmy will be here next year.

You list speculations as fact. You list forum mantra as fact. You list majority or general opinion as fact. None of those are FACTS.

And most of what many around here go around stating as facts, don't turn out to be so.


Oh and one more thing, on your backwards way of thinking that we should be throwing away the season with 11 games to play because it will be better for the team in the long run. Let me share with you a couple of other interesting facts:

The Lions, 49ers, Browns, and Bills have had TOP DRAFT picks for like the past decade. Do you see that bringing any of those teams success?

The Patriots and Colts have had bottom draft pics for decades and they CONTINUE to remain 2 of the dominant teams in this league. In fact it was their dominance that put them in such great position to trade for draft pics, or make great off-season acquisitions for PROVEN players that has kept them strong year after year.

What does that tell you?

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Posted 19 October 2010 - 05:23 PM

I support whoever is QB, If they start sucking then I support a change. Such will be the case when Moore starts again.

#71 koolkatluke

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Posted 19 October 2010 - 05:23 PM

It's always better to win games. You are trying to sacrifice the experience other players need so Jimmy can get experience and that doesn't benefit the team.

Assuming Moore is gone (which isn't a guarantee) and Jimmy has played this whole year and we go 3-13. We find out Jimmy isn't the answer. Based on how Jimmy has played thus far our receivers aren't likely to develop much. We must rely on the run even more. Our RBs have an extra year or wear and tear on them. Now we draft another QB with a "top 3" pick and have another year of development. Same scenario plays out where receivers aren't able to develop and RBs are yet another year older. Defense is another year older.

So you tell me, what is really best for the team? I am going to choose winning games any day of the week.



Wait has Matt had a TD this year 2 anybody other then Smith? So who has Matt develop into a wr before and what makes you think he can develop wr?

In your mind does Matt = Peyton Manning?

No it's not good 2 win games not make the playoffs and have more ? marks next year.

Yes Matt is gone you can only come up with one senario where he gets RESIGNed. Take this team 2 the playoffs. Do you really think this will happen?

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Posted 19 October 2010 - 05:29 PM

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Posted 19 October 2010 - 05:43 PM

Wait has Matt had a TD this year 2 anybody other then Smith? So who has Matt develop into a wr before and what makes you think he can develop wr?

In your mind does Matt = Peyton Manning?

No it's not good 2 win games not make the playoffs and have more ? marks next year.

Yes Matt is gone you can only come up with one senario where he gets RESIGNed. Take this team 2 the playoffs. Do you really think this will happen?



I didn't say he can develop a WR but he does throw the ball downfield more (you can't argue that) and WR need to get that experience of having football's thrown their way. Jimmy likes to dump the ball off but that doesn't help our WR grow.

No, Matt does not = Peyton.

Here we disagree. I think it's good to win games (I like how you are starting to put 2 instead of "to" or "too" because you can't figure out which one to use) because it lifts team morale and teaches the young players what it takes to win games in the NFL.

Also, if we are going to "open up the wallet" in free agency like some have suggested it's better to have some wins the prior season. No good free agent wants to come to a team with a rookie QB that can't win games.

What happens if Matt gets this team to 8-8 and he is resigned for next year? I'm not saying that will happen but just a question.

Also, please take a little extra time on your posts and put some thought into them instead of coming back with some outlandish question for me or statement from yourself.

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Posted 19 October 2010 - 06:02 PM

You "know" Matt is gone just like so many "knew" last week that Jimmy was going to be the starter against the 49ers just like you "know" Jimmy is the future of the franchise.

Reality check.

You DON'T know wether Matt will or will not be here next year.

Yes I do know (you don't) I see it's an unrealitic task 2 ask Matt not only 2 end the season with a winning record but 2 also save Fox's job. Which is the only way he gets resigned back.


You DON'T know wether Jimmy will be here next year.

Yes I do he has 3 years left on a contract and unless he dies or suffers a carear ending injury. He will be here in some capacity next year. So wrong again.

You list speculations as fact. You list forum mantra as fact. You list majority or general opinion as fact. None of those are FACTS.

When you can tell me a situation when a incoming HC and staff decided 2 resign the Qb from the year before of a losing team then it will not be a fact. But you won't because it has never happened. So it will continue 2 be a fact.
Plus i also use past history 2 back up my comments.


New coaching staff will always give a shot 2 a highly drafted player with a multi year contract from the year before.
Exp. Jason campbell lasted longer then 2 head coaches.


And most of what many around here go around stating as facts, don't turn out to be so.

You always stat fact right???

Oh and one more thing, on your backwards way of thinking that we should be throwing away the season with 11 games to play because it will be better for the team in the long run. Let me share with you a couple of other interesting facts:

Our owner gave up in the offseason. Our HC is now deflecting blame off himself a sign that he has no faith in this team and trying 2 save his face 2 other teams and owners. Plus we have injuries 2 the people who we couldn't afford 2 have injuries. Again I'm being realistic maybe you sholud try it.



The Lions, 49ers, Browns, and Bills have had TOP DRAFT picks for like the past decade. Do you see that bringing any of those teams success?

The Browns and the Bills owners have been cheap for a long time. Lions and 49ers have had bad mang. for years. We have always hit on our 1st round picks lately why should that change? Last time we had a top 3 pick we used it on JP and turned a 1-15 team into a superbowl team 2 years later.


The Patriots and Colts have had bottom draft pics for decades and they CONTINUE to remain 2 of the dominant teams in this league. In fact it was their dominance that put them in such great position to trade for draft pics, or make great off-season acquisitions for PROVEN players that has kept them strong year after year.

What does that tell you?


They have Franchise QB that can rise above some faults of their teams. We don't have that and no matter how much you like matt he is no Peyton or Brady. They will always have a chance because their systems and their QB are so good.

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Posted 19 October 2010 - 06:15 PM

I didn't say he can develop a WR but he does throw the ball downfield more (you can't argue that) and WR need to get that experience of having football's thrown their way. Jimmy likes to dump the ball off but that doesn't help our WR grow.

No, Matt does not = Peyton.

Here we disagree. I think it's good to win games (I like how you are starting to put 2 instead of "to" or "too" because you can't figure out which one to use) because it lifts team morale and teaches the young players what it takes to win games in the NFL.

Also, if we are going to "open up the wallet" in free agency like some have suggested it's better to have some wins the prior season. No good free agent wants to come to a team with a rookie QB that can't win games.

What happens if Matt gets this team to 8-8 and he is resigned for next year? I'm not saying that will happen but just a question.

Seriously how likely is that 2 happen?


Also, please take a little extra time on your posts and put some thought into them instead of coming back with some outlandish question for me or statement from yourself.


I think it's outlandish for you 2 put so much pressure on a 4 year undrafted QB and a rookie 2 make a playoff team out of the crap that Jerry built this year.

PS. 3 or 4 wins are not going 2 make anybody feel good about themselves.


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