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#16 coxc63

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Posted 27 October 2010 - 12:03 AM

Joey Galloway had 3 consecutive 1000 yard plus receiving years for Gruden, dont know how you could say he's not legit.


Yea that's true, ok so 3 in his entire coaching tenure. But I can say that is better than what fox has produced in his tenure here.

#17 jackson113

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Posted 27 October 2010 - 12:37 AM

The thing is, we may want a certain coach or coordinator but the fact is there are going to be a few other teams looking for coaches also. I think Fox has been a good Qb away from having consistently good years. But then again that's where coaching comes in.

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Posted 27 October 2010 - 12:42 AM

I would prefer someone that can keep up the defense side of things like Fox did or does. It took us to the promised land once before and I'm sure it will again.

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Posted 27 October 2010 - 01:09 AM

Heres your chance Catdaddy. I want to see a link or better yet pull up some other article Mr.Scot wrote and post the link.

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Posted 27 October 2010 - 01:18 AM

The thing is, we may want a certain coach or coordinator but the fact is there are going to be a few other teams looking for coaches also. I think Fox has been a good Qb away from having consistently good years. But then again that's where coaching comes in.

Buffalo Bills were said to be interested in Frazier before and may be again.

It's valid that the guy we want the most may not be the guy we get.

#21 Mr. Scot

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Posted 27 October 2010 - 01:28 AM

One other thing worth mentioning...

I've never been that much of a Steve Spurrier fan, but I did once believe that he'd probably be a really good NFL coach. Didn't care much for his personality (and his colossal ego) but was okay with the idea of him as the Panthers head coach if he made them a perennial winner.

When the Panthers went for John Fox instead, I thought they'd whiffed.

Turns out Fox was way more successful than Spurrier.

Realistically, there's more than one candidate out there that'll make someone - potentially us, of course - a good head coach. Likewise, some of the guys that seem to have the most potential might turn out to be colossal failures.

Many of us have our favorites, but it'd be a mistake to take the approach that if the Panthers don't get "my guy" we're going to suck. It may not be the guy we predict, or the guy that we want, but it'll be the guy we hope succeeds. Unless of course, you're one of those folks who'd rather see the team flame out than prove you wrong.

(and yeah, there are some fans like that)

#22 PantherFanForLife

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Posted 27 October 2010 - 03:38 AM

Flame away but I think Gruden is a good possibility. Not perfect in any means but he has some swagger about him.


I'm no expert, not even all that knowledgeable when it comes to coach candidates.....but I like Gruden. Many say he wasn't that great of a coach, or that there are far better, more experienced options.

But there are 3 things that I personally like about him that I believe to be just as important as the things coach scouts look for.

1. Personality. Honestly this is the FACE I want for my team. I want that fire. I want that passion. I know it's actually better to have a level-headed coach, because everyone knows when you are angry you're at least twice as stupid as you are when you are calm. But a few guys, can actually benefit from that and can still make good decisions when they are pissed off...and I have seen our laid-back coach lay down and punt that ball one too many times for my tastes when my gut feeling was f**k JUST GO FOR IT! I think John has all of those things.

2. John's less experienced but he is also young when compared to other coaches. That means two things. First, just like a player can improve, so can a coach. He CAN get better and I'm sure he's learned his fair share of lessons and had plenty of time to look back and reminisce on his past coaching. And two, he may not have any of the old-school coaching mentality that is clearly beginning to hurt some teams whose coaches still stick by it today.

3. Superbowl WIN experience. Sure some credit the coach prior to him for building the team to get there. But the actual coaching of the team TO the Superbowl and TO GET THE WIN goes to him. It always helps when a coach has done it once. You get there so rarely as a team and as a coach that whenever this team may get there again, they would have a coach they can rally around that would make them a little less nervous and more confident to go and get it all.

Just my two cents.

Oh and it also helps that he seems to REALLY want to be here. Plus he also seems to like Jimmy, so if Jimmy does end up being the guy later down the line....could work out just fine.

Edited by PantherFanForLife, 27 October 2010 - 03:41 AM.


#23 TheRealDeal

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Posted 27 October 2010 - 12:31 PM

Still waiting for Catdaddy to reappear

#24 Mr. Scot

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Posted 27 October 2010 - 12:37 PM

Still waiting for Catdaddy to reappear

Doubt he will. Don't really care if he does. I was going to write this thread anyway. Just hadn't sat down to do it (on vacation and being lazy).

The one worry I had was that he'd post a link to supposedly prove his charges which would turn out to be a link to a virus or some such.

On the flipside, I have actually found stuff that I've written before (minicamp reports and such) posted elsewhere with no attribution.

Granted, my posts here aren't exactly copyrighted material, but still...

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Posted 27 October 2010 - 12:55 PM

Yeah it will probably never happen but here is the Wiki link on him. Second Ive herd the rumors about how defense didn't like him, nothing against a players coach but sometimes being their friend hinders the team performance.

http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Jon_Gruden

#26 Mr. Scot

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Posted 27 October 2010 - 09:58 PM

Okay. Maybe a couple of coaching profiles are due.

(can't be lazy all week)

#27 jackson113

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Posted 28 October 2010 - 03:16 AM

I've never cared for Gruden. I don't think he's capable of rebuilding a struggling team. Whoever gets the job will have to more than likely rebuild the team from scratch.

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Posted 28 October 2010 - 06:02 AM

The Candidate List

The guys that get the most buzz are Leslie Frazier, Mike Zimmer and Jim Harbaugh. This past Sunday, Frazier and Zimmer's respective units both had subpar games (how much is coaching...how much is personnel...debatable). The guy who's probably the easiest to evaluate at this time is Harbaugh because he actually is a head coach while the others are still coordinators. For them, you have to take what you can get and extrapolate the rest. For Harbaugh, it's whether he can make the transition from college to the pros (though he does have experience as a pro position coach).

Overall, Zimmer is probably still my top choice. I could go with Harbaugh though. Frazier? I'd be okay with it, but I have some doubts.

Been lax this week on the Potential Coaches thread. Probably get back to that next week.


Mike McCoy is also a possibility.

#29 Mr. Scot

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Posted 28 October 2010 - 10:44 AM

McCoy is a name a few people have brought up.

I've agreed to consider it, but so far I just can't find a compelling reason to think he's a serious candidate.

(sorry guys; just not seeing it so far)

#30 pantherclaw

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Posted 28 October 2010 - 01:35 PM

If they hire Gruden (which I don't think they will) it will go down as the 2nd worst coaching choice in panther history.


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