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I am putting my thing down....

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100% on the money! The mediocre, it is what it is, mindset has permeated it's way to front office to the football field, and it's coming full circle if the players don't care, thus tainting the product that Richardson sells. What's the saying, you reap what you sow? I hope that a new coaching staff is enough to change the culture.

BTW - Zod, you really should put your thing down, you can go blind doing that.

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I agree with what Zod is saying, and he has been saying that since camp.

My question is this though, knowing this Zod, do you think the QB for the long-term is already on the roster? Taking into account what you've said and what we already have seen, is it fair to evaluate the QBs performance so far with overall dismal performance of those around them and horrible coaching?

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I don't think its possible to say. Both Moore and Clausen could be pro bowlers, or both could be busts. I don't think any worth while evaluation can be done this season.

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Too many ppl are agreeing. Makes me sad :(

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I agree the problem isn't talent, it definitely resides in our confidence and motivation right now.

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I didn't have to wait until training camp. I saw the writing on the wall in the spirng and told everyone what would happen. After hundreds of posts and folks deciding I didn't have a clue and was a grumpy old man, we now know the truth.

I may be a grumpy old man but I had good reason to be. Lots of folks on the bandwagon now.

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I agree but why end it? You would have maybe 3 posts a day on here then.

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NFL=Not For Long.

It wont take near as long to fix as you might think. Players and Coaches both are whores who will play for whoever is writing the biggest check. In 2 years no one will remember or care about the "youth movement" in Carolina during the 2010 season.

this.. bring in a new coach who is on fire and everyone else will fall in line..

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I think it is a sad state when people are willing to sacrifice a year of somebody else's career for money. Some teams play bad. I get it. But when you are playing bad because the owner has set the tone of "eh, 2010?, we'll just write that one off." This is going to come back and bite JR in the ass and might take longer to fix the Panther organization reputation if any of this is taken seriously. Which just looking at the situation, how could any player on the team or FAs not? This is going to be harder to fix than a new coach and a new deal.

Have you seen Detroit recently? Or New Orleans, for that matter?

NFL=Not For Long.

It wont take near as long to fix as you might think. Players and Coaches both are whores who will play for whoever is writing the biggest check. In 2 years no one will remember or care about the "youth movement" in Carolina during the 2010 season.

Exactly.

Every year, some team has the worst season. It's rarely the same team two years in a row. You get a high pick, you make some changes and you go back to fighting. Heck, the Panthers went from 1-15 to the Super Bowl in two seasons, and that was with Fox at the helm.

It's far from hopeless.

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The N F C South has a different champ every season .

Several teams have gone from worse to first in one season

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For too long I have been reading speculation on this season, why its going wrong, who is to blame, which QB should start... yada yada yada.

I am here now to put an end to it.

Why? Because the Panthers never actually started this season to begin with. At the beginning of camp I warned everyone it would not be a pretty year. Not because of any individual performance, but because of the dismal overall tone in camp. When I hear more talk amongst the players about the lockout than about the task at hand, it does not take a professional analyst to realize this season was lost before it began.

Jerry Richardson set the tone for the season last winter. We all know the "youth movement" was a thinly veiled plan to cut costs and prepare for the looming lockout. The problem is as bad as that was to the physical skill of the team as a collective, it was much worse to the mental preparedness of our Panthers.

The 2010 camp was the most unfocused I had ever witnessed. Players did not rush to assigned drills, and coaches did not urge them to do so. The motions were there, the emotions were not. Aside from a select few players, enough was done to convince a typical fan, but in no way was a winning effort given or even expected.

I have to chuckle when I see the frustration and drama on the field like yesterday. They act as if they didn't know this was coming. I know better. They knew full well going into this season that they had given less than they should in practice, even though they would never admit to it.

I am convinced that there is enough individual skill on this team to be a playoff contender. I am not convinced there is enough motivation and preparedness on this team to be considered an NFL franchise.

The remedy? An off season with a renewed sense of purpose, and nothing less.

So continue on with the Clausen or Moore, whats wrong with the running game, why is our offensive line on roller skates talk. Just understand none of it matters until a new tone is set in 2011 (hopefully).

I don't think it's just the lockout. Everybody's dealing with that.

Likewise, any "youth movement" has consequences. You lose a lot of veteran leadership in the hope of being better long term. Yeah, it looks bad early, but it's not a bad thing in the long run. Heck, some teams have had fine seasons even in the midst of such a thing.

What I think has turned this season sour more than anything else is the lame duck coaching situation.

Imagine for a moment that mom and dad have decided to get a divorce, but for whatever reason, they put it off for a year. What do you think the marriage is going to be like during that year? And how about the kids? How do you think they're going to do in school given the conditions at home?

There are varying degrees of "lame duck" really. I think the version the Panthers have now is, sadly, one of the worst. Fox and Richardson are far apart, and all indications now are that they're ready to be officially apart. Only they can't be yet. They still have to play this season out, and like most unpleasant situations, the time just seems to draaaaaaag :(

Honestly, I don't think any one of these things (possible lockout, youth movement, lame duck coach) would have been enough of a factor by themselves to destroy this season. Heck, the youth movement could have been a good thing if the circumstances were different.

All these things at once though? Well...here we are.

So for me, the biggest factor is the situation between Richardson and Fox. It could have been pretty bad on its own, but put it on top of the other stuff and it's a recipe for a nightmare.

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I think it is a sad state when people are willing to sacrifice a year of somebody else's career for money. Some teams play bad. I get it. But when you are playing bad because the owner has set the tone of "eh, 2010?, we'll just write that one off." This is going to come back and bite JR in the ass and might take longer to fix the Panther organization reputation if any of this is taken seriously. Which just looking at the situation, how could any player on the team or FAs not? This is going to be harder to fix than a new coach and a new deal.

This.

Sad, but this is what likely will happen. I see us losing a lot of our core players, and I see us being bad for awhile. JR screwed up on this big time. I dont see any FA's or our own core players wanting to play for him. I know I wouldn't, especially if he constantly shows that he's willing to put the NFL over anything. I dont see how or why Smitty has stayed here this long. But, then again, I see him leaving this offseason coming up...

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