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New Governors kill 1.2 billion rail funding and jobs

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could they not find ANYTHING better to kill funding for? this is something i've thought we needed for a long time. transportation in this country is dreadful, and a high speed rail system would be awesome.

[URL]http://thinkprogress.org/2010/11/06/govs-rail-jobs/[/URL]

you guessed it, more tea party candidates.

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And an elevator to the moon would be cool too.

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fuck infrastructure! real jobs are in the service industry!

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[quote name='jangler']and an elevator to the moon would be cool too.[/quote]

lmao

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i do think infra has been the low lying fruit for 10 yrs now. if these guys are gonna cut funding, i'm cool with that. but cut out reduncancy's and overlap before something that could lead to jobs.
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The Government does not create jobs.

How many stimulus bills do we need until people figure that out? 2-3? Until we are broke and the Socialists have won? Oh yeah, that's the plan. Nevermind. Maybe while we are at it we can build a Disney type walkway under the Ocean, that way the failed socialist policies of Europe can get here quicker.

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fuckin' infrastructure, how does it work?

hey loOK OVER THERE SOCIALIST SOCIALIST BIG GUBMINT

-Republicans/Jangler

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Where are the jobs? The question that will haunt Boehner and company this summer.

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gj teahadists, now you have to actually govern and make decisions and stuff.

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[quote name='london67']gj teahadists, now you have to actually govern and make decisions and stuff.[/QUOTE]

the fuck are you talking about? the goal was to win not to actually do anything positive lol

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I believe the "high speed rail" from Cincinnati to Columbus was discussed already once in here. You could drive it quicker. But yes lets waste more money on something that wouldn't solve anything.

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Spend the money on real infrastrure Highways and bridges. High speed rail at the moment isnt needed and wont be needed for another 20 years.

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Something to consider when the federal government and unions are involved with anything...

[url]http://www.abc.org/Newsroom2/News_Letters/2008_Archives/Issue_29/Union_Only_Big_Dig_Price_Tag_Balloons_to_22_Billion.aspx[/url]

[QUOTE]Boston’s Central Artery/Tunnel Project, a massive, federally funded project to build freeway tunnels underneath the city and Boston Harbor, will cost [B]$22 billion[/B] including interest payments, according to a July 17 story in the Boston Globe. The project, known as the “Big Dig,” was originally budgeted to cost $2.8 billion.

Despite receiving federal funding, the Big Dig was subject to a union-only project labor agreement (PLA) that required project contractors and subcontractors agree to recognize unions as the representatives of their employees on the job, use the union hiring hall to obtain workers, pay union wages and benefits, and obey the union's work rules, job classifications and arbitration procedures. The project was plagued by delays and problems throughout its history.

According to the article, in order to cover the cost of the project, Massachusetts will have to pay close to $600 million annually over the next several years, taking money away from the maintenance and repair of roads and bridges across the state.

In addition, that article pointed out that the Big Dig project, which represents only [B]7.5 miles[/B] of an 11,000 mile highway system, has sucked up nearly 40 percent of the state highway funds over the last 17 years. In order to recoup that loss, the state has been forced to borrow money to meet the current needs of the highway system.

Because of the state’s mounting debt, 80 percent of workers for the Highway Department are being paid with borrowed money, compared to only 14 percent before the Big Dig, the Globe noted. State officials are hesitant to raise taxes, but that may be the only way to fight the massive pile of debt caused by the Big Dig project, the article said. [/QUOTE]

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[quote name='Squirrel']Spend the money on real infrastrure Highways and bridges. High speed rail at the moment isnt needed and wont be needed for another 20 years.[/QUOTE]

out of curiosity, how long do you think it would take to erect a true rail infrastructure if we started now?



i'd say 20+ years.

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[quote name='Jangler']Something to consider when the federal government and unions are involved with anything...

[url]http://www.abc.org/Newsroom2/News_Letters/2008_Archives/Issue_29/Union_Only_Big_Dig_Price_Tag_Balloons_to_22_Billion.aspx[/url][/QUOTE]

jangler, how do you propose large scale public projects be carried out without government involvement?

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[quote name='rodeo']could they not find ANYTHING better to kill funding for? this is something i've thought we needed for a long time. transportation in this country is dreadful, and a high speed rail system would be awesome.

[URL]http://thinkprogress.org/2010/11/06/govs-rail-jobs/[/URL]

you guessed it, more tea party candidates.[/QUOTE]


How many billions does Amtrak lose a year?

In some instances, high speed rail would be beneficial. Like in North Carolina. Why is there no interstate that connects Charlotte and Raleigh? A rail system would work there. Would it be profitable? Not likely... but at least it would make sense.
But if you read about some of those cities where the rail lines have been axed, you'd see a lot of things that wouldn't work. A high speed line between Orlando and Tampa that takes longer than the drive and costs $77? Yeah, who's gonna take that?

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[quote name='googoodan']How many billions does Amtrak lose a year?
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not nearly as much as the military loses.
[quote name='Jangler']The Government does not create jobs.
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what does this mean exactly to you?

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[quote name='Fiz']not nearly as much as the military loses.[/quote]

The military isn't a money making business. It is also a Constitutional mandate.

How much do bad movies lose a year?

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ahhh yes, referencing a 3 century old document written by slave owners, truly the most compelling argument.

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the founding fathers did not explicitly call for something that did not exist at the time, therefore

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looks like we have to stop all publicly subsidized transportation infrastructure that doesn't make a profit

sorry airlines and road construction

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[quote name='googoodan']How many billions does Amtrak lose a year?

In some instances, high speed rail would be beneficial. Like in North Carolina. Why is there no interstate that connects Charlotte and Raleigh? A rail system would work there. Would it be profitable? Not likely... but at least it would make sense.
But if you read about some of those cities where the rail lines have been axed, you'd see a lot of things that wouldn't work. A high speed line between Orlando and Tampa that takes longer than the drive and costs $77? Yeah, who's gonna take that?[/QUOTE]

I'm not interested in the government running the rail companies. I'm interested in them helping build the infrastructure. Would car manufacturers have built the highways?

Keep in mind that:

A: the cost of gas is going to f*cking skyrocket and no amount of domestic drilling can change that.

B: Due to this cost, more people will be living in urban centers.

C: Have you ever actually driven between Tampa and Orlando? On open roads I'm sure a car would beat a train. On a normal day? No f*cking way. And in 20 years? What're we going to do, build privatized triple-decker highways?

Just my 2c.

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[quote name='Fiz']ahhh yes, referencing a 3 century old document written by slave owners, truly the most compelling argument.[/QUOTE]

And now we have a black President that is a slave to The Soros Doctrine. So the white man is still riding the black man to prosperity.

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[quote name='Jangler']And now we have a black President that is a slave to The Soros Doctrine. So the white man is still riding the black man to prosperity.[/QUOTE]

Half black!

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The next time you libs prepare to call me a partisan hack, I want you to remember this moment....I agree with you on this one.

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