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Yes I remember that, harsh condemnation for sure. Made me shiver.

Was he fired?

Big difference between what I believed could (or would) happen and what I think should have.

If you want something a little more personal though, on page 4 of that thread, I was asked this:

Gun to your head..you can keep fox or fire him in favor of cowher...no other options what do you do?

My answer...

I get shot.

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Much as I wanted Fox to stay on this year I have to admit his best days in carolina are long behind him. I dont think anyone can realistically say this season of disaster can all be laid at the feet of the head coach. A good portion has to go to Hurney and Richardson.

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I would still prefer a little know coordinator with a big upside that can use Carolina to make a name for himself over the next several seasons. I just wish I had a clue as to who that may be. Someone new to head coaching would instantly bring a tremendous amount of energy to this young team.

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I agree- we need a young guy not a retread.

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Its like in highschool when you got the teacher that was young and fresh out of college. More energy, more excitement, you could just tell he/she was not burnt out in the slightest.

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Best post I've read about this woeful year.

This just shows the importance of good coaching and we ain't got it.

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There was only one mistake here and cutting the veterans and keeping Fox were all part of it. It wasn't to save money down the road or even save much cap space, it was going on the cheap to save money in 2010 plain and simple.

First of all the idea that we got rid of a bunch of contracts by dumping the veterans that would have hurt us next year or beyond is totally overblown. There were 3 guys who had contracts for 2011 and beyond out of the group of nine starters that were released. Diggs had just been signed to an extension in January of 2010 and then cut 4 months later. Why?? Because when Peppers left the philosophy changed and we gutted the team. Otherwise explain why you would give a guy an extension and then cut him 4 months later in the off-season when there were no injury issues or even draft picks that we made to change the idea of keeping him.

But I digress. Look at Kemo and Lewis, when we didn't give them the bonus in the off-season their contracts reverted to 1 year deals which would have been off the books in 2011. Hoover's contract was up after 2010. Moose would have been fine with a 1 year deal. Jake was going to get paid one way or the other so keeping him wouldn't have hurt at all. Vincent's contract was up as well. Peppers was gone and there was nothing we could have done about it but everyone else was clearly going to be gone after 2010 anyway. So the only other guy who was cut to save perhaps 2-3 million a year was Harris. Please show me all of these bad contracts we cut and all the cap space we saved. It isn't there. Jake, Harris and Diggs were the only guys of the veterans who were cut who were even on the books beyond 2010. And a good case could be made in light of this season that Jake, Diggs and Harris could have helped this team a lot. We cut Jake to help Moore who lasted 2 games, don't have a WLB right now with Beason moving to the middle, and I think even losing a step Harris is much better at strong safety than Godfrey who still looks lost out there half the time.

The reality is that cutting the veterans and not cutting Fox is all the same mistake. The mistake is that Richardson was hell bent on saving money this year not down the road. So cutting most of the veterans was not cutting bad and costly contracts, it was cutting money this year. Keeping Fox was the same thing- saving the 6 million we were going to lose if we paid him.

The fact is that Richardson didn't care what the product on the field looked like. He is saving money and that is frankly all he cares about right now. The apology to the fans crap is about as phony as you can get.

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What we need is someone on their second head coaching job. Most NFL coaches do their best work with the second team they run.

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This model was known by JR, as well as most die hard fans of the NFL.

Cut vet/talent+lame duck coach= really bad season. I can't imagine that anyone thought this would be a playoff team, including the players.

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I have said it before and will say it again..... I do not mind this rebuilding, youth movement, etc - what does piss me of is that we should have the new coaching regime being the ones working with this team. It definately appeared the only reason Fox is here was because JR didnt want to pay him 6.5milion plus the salary of a new coach. The only other possibility is there is somebody JR had in mind who either wasnt ready to come this season or couldnt.

For those who thought Fox should have beens shown the door years ago, I was on board with that and have said it for the past two to three season now. This bend dont break, keep it close for three quarters then try to win it in the 4th qtr, no margin for error crap grew old a long time ago for me.

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Fox is by no means a bad coach, but the organization and him parting ways is long overdue. I think Hurney will stick around, though. He's not nearly as bad as people here think he is.

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I would still prefer a little know coordinator with a big upside that can use Carolina to make a name for himself over the next several seasons. I just wish I had a clue as to who that may be. Someone new to head coaching would instantly bring a tremendous amount of energy to this young team.

Jason Garrett will be on the open market...guaranteed. Many think he's the next McCarthy or Sean Payton. Not his fault Jerry Jones couldn't run an ice cream truck...just sayin

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