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[Fiz]

1. Overall, the good with Hurney outweighs the bad. Everyone is transfixed by the horrors of Everette Brown and Jake Delhomme, but I doubt we'll ever know the full story behind that. For all we know, there might be a reason Fox was kept out of drafting after the 2009 season. Hurney is also fantastic with contracts, something that can't be overlooked.

2. Most importantly, it sends a terrible message to any potential replacement. Here's a guy that just did what the owner instructed him to do, and on top of that has been paraded out in front of the media every week to be pilloried. The guy has no more swords to fall on, yet has become the defacto face of the franchise in lieu of the owner.

To fire him after all he's done (sacrificing his public and professional reputation for Jerry's vendetta) would basically tell every other potential GM that the owner will flush you down the drain the second it's convenient.

We're already going to have enough trouble finding a coach after the way Richardson has handcuffed Fox. Let's not make it a GM as well.

[Cyberjag]

He shouldn't be fired because he's good at his job.

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[88 Bronco]

I still see the contract extension for Delhomme as a necessity. We had to free up cap space, I don't recall to many viable FA QBs , and I don't remember the roster being loaded with talent at the QB position.

[Fiz]

The only thing with the contract was the size of it, but then again, I've had some conversations with people on here and elsewhere, and I really don't get the feeling we'll ever know the full story.

[88 Bronco]

I figure the number was a compromise.

[raleigh-panther]

Quite frankly, I would not mind if both Fox and Hurney were gone.

We have given up far too much in the past several drafts to make any good reason for him to stay.

Trading up for an elite QB is one thing. Trading up for E. Brown and A. Edwards, something else again.

The crap that went on for DTs, none of which who are on the team right now, another example.

He's Jerry Richardson's Boy...just like Wade was Jerry Jones' boy...sometimes, that type of relationship ends too and should.

[Fiz]

Quite frankly, I would not mind if both Fox and Hurney were gone.

We have given up far too much in the past several drafts to make any good reason for him to stay.

Trading up for an elite QB is one thing. Trading up for E. Brown and A. Edwards, something else again.

The crap that went on for DTs, none of which who are on the team right now, another example.

He's Jerry Richardson's Boy...just like Wade was Jerry Jones' boy...sometimes, that type of relationship ends too and should.

neither of these address my two central points.

Hurney and Fox had far more control over the team than Wade ever had in Dallas.

[Cyberjag]

The only thing with the contract was the size of it, but then again, I've had some conversations with people on here and elsewhere, and I really don't get the feeling we'll ever know the full story.

Don't forget, it gained us cap space in a year where Peppers' figure was killing us.

[Kurb]

I believe Hurney basically does what he is told in drafting by Fox and how much someone gets paid by Richardson.

Media has touted that Fox and Hurney are "on the same page for llifffeezzz" but I think he would be on the same page with any coach.

Also like Fiz said, he basically runs into brick walls and flamethrowers with the media every week.

[Anybodyhome]

I concur wholeheartedly with your main points. Sure, there have been the occasional head scratchers like Everette Brown, Armanti Edwards and a couple of the DT moves. But I also think there have been relatively good moves the coaching staff has simply failed to develop (Eric Shelton, Keary Colbert and a couple others I'm sure I've missed).

And you're right, Jerry Richardson is going to have some difficulties finding a new HC, not to mention the very likely possibility of having a few free agents decide elsewhere might be a better option given the 2010 fire sale bargain basement edition of the Carolina Panthers.

[Fiz]

Don't forget, it gained us cap space in a year where Peppers' figure was killing us.

well you can do that without dumping a uhaul full of cash on his front yard.

I agreed with the restructuring at the time, however, and if Jake had continued to perform at 2008 levels it wouldn't have been as bad.

[chris999]

Don't forget, it gained us cap space in a year where Peppers' figure was killing us.

i think the whole fiasco with peppers was the biggest failure of them all.

it caused the mistake with jake, AND it was pointless to pay peppers that much money for one season when he didnt want to be here. he should have been traded for a draft pick

[raleigh-panther]

neither of these address my two central points.

Hurney and Fox had far more control over the team than Wade ever had in Dallas.

Point taken Fiz.

Too tired tonight to go back and look at every draft from Hurney. What I do know is he failed to draft a franchise QB (and he had opportunites at Ben, Flacco and even to get Brees as a free agent, all better than what we had), he failed to draft have decent DTs, he failed to find a 2nd receiver. He's failed at a lot of things. Instead of getting something for Peppers, Peppers walked. He wrote a check to Delhomme that could choke a horse and the deicsions on Peppers that lead to Delhomme, put us were we are now with absolutely no depth on the oline.

As far as the message it sends, maybe it should be, we want the best, not the good, not the want to be best, the best, and for that reason, Marty, you can either go back to salarly cap or you can leave, but, you do not get to judge talent anymore, and that, after all is his job on draft day.

[mav1234]

they couldn't trade peppers for a pick, that was the problem.

supposedly people were making offers but peppers refused to sign until the latest he could. by then the offers were off the table.

[Fiz]

Point taken Fiz.

Too tired tonight to go back and look at every draft from Hurney. What I do know is he failed to draft a franchise QB (and he had opportunites at Ben, Flacco and even to get Brees as a free agent, all better than what we had), he failed to draft have decent DTs, he failed to find a 2nd receiver.

he's also succeeded at a lot of things. Fox and Hurney can beat a bush and find linebackers, secondary, and offensive linemen.

Every GM has a weakness. Ozzie Newsome, for example, can't draft secondary or wide receivers to save his life and he's considered the best in the league. Ernie Accorsi couldn't draft a linebacker if his life depended on it.

Also I don't necessarily think they failed to find a number 2 wide receiver. Keary could obviously play, and you can't fault him for not knowing he'd decide to quit playing football his second year.

Edited by Fiz, 09 November 2010 - 09:27 PM.