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#91 CaliPanthers

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Posted 15 November 2010 - 08:27 PM

A few more thoughts on this subject:

I was watching a Stanford game, they were saying NFL Scouts already think Andrew Luck is better than alot of QB's in the NFL right now.

To me DT is a need on this team but there is no top DT in this years draft and a coaching change could bring a new scheme to the team, so DL should be addressed in later rounds of the draft or via FA.

To me OL is NOT a huge need. IF Jeff Otah injury is serious, then yes OL become a priority but just like DT, there is no top OL in this years draft, so we cant reach.

Top picks arnt usually traded, so its not as easy as some make it sound. I could see someone wanting to trade up though, just because Andrew Luck is such a special prospect, which should make our decision that much easier and just draft Luck.

With a new Head Coach and coaching staff, I feel this team will play better as a whole.


Lastly...

Jimmy Clausen COULD become a franchise QB, Andrew Luck WILL be a franchise QB baring injuries.

#92 unicar15

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Posted 15 November 2010 - 08:35 PM

Doesnt matter what chance Clausen has had. I really like the kid, but from all that I have read Luck is the next great QB. No guarantees, but Lucks ceiling is way higher than Clausens.

We have to have 'our' guy. Clausen could be it, but let him battle it out with Luck.

Luck could be a franchise defining type of player, cant pass up on him.


EXACTLY.

This is the point that you bank on. You don't pass up a guy that has the characteristics of Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers, and Matt Ryan to play a guy that is more of a Chad Pennington. Is a guy like Pennington good? Yeah...but he isn't Manning, Ryan, or Rodgers. Its the most important position in all of sports. You don't pass on an elite level talent because you "think" you might have a good QB. Andrew Luck is a sure-fire Pro bowl caliber QB. The type of QB this franchise has never had.

Hell...The freaking Chargers drafted Phillip Rivers when they had Drew Brees on their team. I wouldn't exactly call Jimmy Clausen a Drew Brees caliber QB right now.

For those of you that think that we should "trade down." When was the last time someone traded out of the first pick? Not only is it incredibly difficult to do...its incredibly stupid to do when you don't have a QB entrenched as a starter.

Can you imagine what Falcons fans would have done if Atlanta had traded down to take Glenn Dorsey and passed on Matt Ryan?? Atlanta would still be in the cellar with an overrated Glenn Dorsey and Ryan would be excelling at another franchise. It is just a preposterous idea...

Edited by unicar15, 15 November 2010 - 08:38 PM.


#93 TheRealDeal

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Posted 15 November 2010 - 08:39 PM

This is the point that you bank on. You don't pass up a guy that has the characteristics of Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers, and Matt Ryan to play a guy that is more of a Chad Pennington. Is a guy like Pennington good? Yeah...but he isn't Manning, Ryan, or Rodgers. Its the most important position in all of sports. You don't pass on an elite level talent because you "think" you might have a good QB. Andrew Luck is a sure-fire Pro bowl caliber QB. The type of QB this franchise has never had.



Not sure what a "sure-fire pro bowl caliber QB" is. Sounds really funny.

If you are trying to say that he is a lock you are wrong, there is no such thing.

If you are trying to say his potential is ridiculous and hasn't been seen for a few years in a QB then you are correct.

There will be risk no matter what and he could be a bust but it'll be hard to pass him up.

#94 kdrh5

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Posted 15 November 2010 - 08:44 PM

Glenn Dorsey is a three technique miscast as a 4-3 end after Haley was hired as HC in KC. He obviously isnt in a position to make as big an impact as he would be had he been drafted by Atlanta.

#95 unicar15

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Posted 15 November 2010 - 09:00 PM

Glenn Dorsey is a three technique miscast as a 4-3 end after Haley was hired as HC in KC. He obviously isnt in a position to make as big an impact as he would be had he been drafted by Atlanta.


Would you rather have Ryan or Dorsey? That is the point.

#96 kdrh5

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Posted 15 November 2010 - 09:10 PM

Well for that franchise at that time, yes Ryan was obviously the correct choice, but lets be fair to Dorsey and consider the scheme/role he excelled at in college and is built for in the pros before we just label him as "overrated" when he doesnt light the world on fire when he's asked to be a space-eater.

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Posted 15 November 2010 - 09:11 PM

i wouldve rather had Dorsey for that second round pick over Edwards, tho

Oh, and going back to the previous post, Brees was nowhere near the QB he is now when they drafted Rivers. they took best available player and raped the Giants for draft picks, and Brees, whether motivated by that draft pick or not, later developed into an elite QB.

Edited by kdrh5, 15 November 2010 - 09:13 PM.


#98 Mr. Scot

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Posted 15 November 2010 - 10:13 PM

Arm strength as a split? Seriously? :sosp:

#99 CatMan72

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Posted 15 November 2010 - 10:18 PM

Several scouts and experts have said Luck is one of the most complete QB's to come out of college in a long time, if you get the chance to draft him you take him, regardless of who you already have at the position. All the WR's and DT's in the world won't get you a championship if you don't have a QB.

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Posted 15 November 2010 - 10:20 PM

Haven't read this whole thread, so if you will forgive me here, but it seems from what I've read the majority opinion is either:

A) Can't pass on Luck, trade Claussen for a draft pick, and bring in a vet to start/backup Luck

B) Keep as is, trade down, bring in a vet backup for Clausen, and restock the lines

What I want to know is, why trade Pickles away if he's doing well this season, and why is it that we can't have two possible franchise QBs on the roster at the same time?

Would the world implode or something? I'd like to see us pick up Luck (if we can), keep Jimmah to develop, and pickup an FA vet QB to mentor both. In a couple of years, when some rookie contracts are up, we decide then who to keep, or keep going as is, depending on how the guys feel about their status. If we have learned nothing else this year, it's that we need quality backups at every position, and that includes QB.

So, why take a chance of passing up possibly the next best QB to come out of college in years, and why not let both of them duke it out for the top spot come Spring? We can fill holes with FAs, since we'll have decent cash to spend, and no looming lockout to keep JR's hands out of his pockets. We'll have a new coach to do things his way. Hopefully Rip will be gone like the dodo, and Davidson's fat ass is retired by default. So, less chance of either screwing up our new hopefuls next season.


to me, this is win-win. RGs come cheap in FA, DTs can be found til next draft, since there really isn't a good option in this one, and I feel we've shored up our WR well enough atm to wait a couple of more years to look for the next Smitty. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised to see Gettis become the next Smitty myself. Kid has a lot of promise, imo.

Edited by Raskle, 15 November 2010 - 10:22 PM.


#101 CatMan72

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Posted 15 November 2010 - 10:20 PM

Arm strength as a split? Seriously? :sosp:


Yeah, I did a double-take at that... LOL

#102 unicar15

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Posted 15 November 2010 - 11:09 PM

Yeah, I did a double-take at that... LOL


I didn't want to completely stack it in favor of Luck. I think that Luck has a stronger arm but I also haven't seen him throw against NFL defenses so I decided to go even.

#103 Cat'sGrowl

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Posted 15 November 2010 - 11:18 PM

Why are we debating this now?

#104 mav1234

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Posted 15 November 2010 - 11:20 PM

because we're drafting Luck this Thursday, didn't you hear?

we've taken the rest of the season off and Luck volunteered to leave college to join our team, but we weren't sure because we've got Clausen.

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Posted 15 November 2010 - 11:28 PM

Personally, If Clausen continues to evolve, I'd stick with Clausen.

If Clausen closes the season out with some solid performances, we could probably get a 2nd for him. If the new HC is hellbent on drafting a QB next year.


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