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remember when mike vick ASKED to be on the panthers?

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I wish he still wanted to be a Panther!

He is amazing...

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Anyone who thinks that prison time, is "paying a debt to society" or that it somehow exists as rehabilitation are seriously delusional. Prison, in no way, serves to correct serious mental and character flaws.

99% of business owners do not believe in the US Justice system as a means of rehabilitation where upon completion of such internment people have become "changed". If they did, then no business owners would use such things as Background checks for hiring discrimination. Even the US government does not believe in their punishment as a corrective or background checks would be made illegal for all purposes.

I'm personally a twice convicted felon. I have 9 felony charges from which I was convicted twice, stemming from two arrests of Marijuana possession in 2002 and 2003. I have been turned down for loans, leasing applications, jobs, and colleges because of my NON-Violent criminal history.

The most sickening part is that these same people who would discriminate against "criminals" in their own business place are willing to sacrifice their own morals and ethics for the sake of being entertained. They don't care what Vick as done. They don't care that it makes him stand as a completely depraved human being with no respect for life and with obvious moral failures. They want their precious team to win football.

Anyone who willingly puts their own morals and ethics on the back burner for sake of entertainment is just as gutless as the criminal. Those of you who defend him by saying that he has done his time are either delusional or also gutless and immoral.

Vick is a piece of trash and so are those who defend him.

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Ben=serial rapist. Not 1 day in jail.

Stallworth drunk & killed A PERSON!

Vick well you know the story.

Sure would look good behind Kalil

Thats a problem with the Justice system. Either way I wouldn't want either of them on the Panthers.

I find it interesting how some people have changed their tune about Vick after we found out how bad we are this season. I will never change my mind about him being on this team. I wish him well in his future endeavors but I dont want him in Carolina.

To the people who say he has paid his debt to society, I don't feel like he has. He paid his legal debt to the government but what has he done for society that was not mandated by the courts? Thats something I would like to know. For someone to care so little about the life of another creature makes you wonder how they would treat another person. As humans we have the upper hand on most animals and to abuse that power shows a lot about how a person truly is deep down inside.

Also I noticed someone said something about putting dogs/animals before people. There are some people in the world who I would 100% pick my dogs over. Call me stupid if you want but I love my pets. They are loyal, a part of my family, and I know they would protect me if I needed to be. Those are some qualities not everyone in this world has.

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vick is just lucky he ended up with a coach with lots of experience teaching negros to play the white man's position

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Anyone who thinks that prison time, is "paying a debt to society" or that it somehow exists as rehabilitation are seriously delusional. Prison, in no way, serves to correct serious mental and character flaws.

99% of business owners do not believe in the US Justice system as a means of rehabilitation where upon completion of such internment people have become "changed". If they did, then no business owners would use such things as Background checks for hiring discrimination. Even the US government does not believe in their punishment as a corrective or background checks would be made illegal for all purposes.

I'm personally a twice convicted felon. I have 9 felony charges from which I was convicted twice, stemming from two arrests of Marijuana possession in 2002 and 2003. I have been turned down for loans, leasing applications, jobs, and colleges because of my NON-Violent criminal history.

The most sickening part is that these same people who would discriminate against "criminals" in their own business place are willing to sacrifice their own morals and ethics for the sake of being entertained. They don't care what Vick as done. They don't care that it makes him stand as a completely depraved human being with no respect for life and with obvious moral failures. They want their precious team to win football.

Anyone who willingly puts their own morals and ethics on the back burner for sake of entertainment is just as gutless as the criminal. Those of you who defend him by saying that he has done his time are either delusional or also gutless and immoral.

Vick is a piece of trash and so are those who defend him.

I've seen lives turned around because of a prison sentence alone. Certainly not because there were rehabilitation programs that did it. More often than not, it was because prison was sort of a "wake up call", I guess you could say.

As for society or business owners not believing in the US Justice System, you're right. Once a convict, always a convict, at least in the eyes of most "law-abiding citizens". Whether that is correct thinking or not, is another discussion.

But your comments regarding people putting their own morals and ethics on the back burner for the sake of entertainment would imply that you, yourself do not believe in the justice system, and by that logic, you cannot be "rehabilitated" either. Interesting.

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I've seen lives turned around because of a prison sentence alone. Certainly not because there were rehabilitation programs that did it. More often than not, it was because prison was sort of a "wake up call", I guess you could say.

As for society or business owners not believing in the US Justice System, you're right. Once a convict, always a convict, at least in the eyes of most "law-abiding citizens". Whether that is correct thinking or not, is another discussion.

But your comments regarding people putting their own morals and ethics on the back burner for the sake of entertainment would imply that you, yourself do not believe in the justice system, and by that logic, you cannot be "rehabilitated" either. Interesting.

In no way did the Justice system rehabilitate me. Besides the fact that I was in possession of a plant, not electrocuting the deer and beating them to death when they ate it.

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In no way did the Justice system rehabilitate me. Besides the fact that I was in possession of a plant, not electrocuting the deer and beating them to death when they ate it.

Hmm... now you've got me wondering if weed-laced deer works as well as weed-based brownies. :lol:

Granted, possession is not anywhere as heinous a crime as killing or maiming any living thing. That said, it's not uncommon knowledge that many people convicted of murder do not think their crime is/was as heinous as, say, rape. I think most of society has somewhat of a "sliding scale" when it comes to the immorality of a crime. There are others who would seem to want to throw anyone committing a crime under the jail, however.

But the point I was making in responding to you to begin with was about whether rehabilitation was possible... or not, because of a prison sentence. I've seen it happen. The person has to want that change, however.

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I've been to prison, 16 months in San Quentin West Block, and I can say all prison did was teach me a lot of interesting recipes for Top Ramen. It also taught me new ways to commit crimes. No rehabilitation whatsoever.

The only thing that rehabilitated me was time. Time away from friends, family, my daughter. Prison ain't so tough if you can handle yourself, but the time away from my loved ones is what has stopped me from going back the past 8 years.

I doubt Vick is rehabilitated, but giving up the lifestyle he had ($$$, groupies) probably opened his eyes that he better smarten up and do things the square way or he'll be right back in the pokey, broke and alone.

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should I move this to the Tinderbox now?

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I've been to prison, 16 months in San Quentin West Block, and I can say all prison did was teach me a lot of interesting recipes for Top Ramen. It also taught me new ways to commit crimes. No rehabilitation whatsoever.

The only thing that rehabilitated me was time. Time away from friends, family, my daughter. Prison ain't so tough if you can handle yourself, but the time away from my loved ones is what has stopped me from going back the past 8 years.

I doubt Vick is rehabilitated, but giving up the lifestyle he had ($$$, groupies) probably opened his eyes that he better smarten up and do things the square way or he'll be right back in the pokey, broke and alone.

Ramen Burrito's FTW!

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btw he never specifically asked to come to the panthers

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should I move this to the Tinderbox now?
do you need to ask?

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