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#31 Go To Girl

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Posted 24 January 2009 - 07:40 AM

Ah - so being pregnant and giving birth has nothing to do with a woman's body. Gotcha.

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Posted 24 January 2009 - 07:45 AM

Ah - so being pregnant and giving birth has nothing to do with a woman's body. Gotcha.


No that's not what i'm saying, a baby is not temporary organ you grow for 9 months that you or any other woman once conceived should have the right to destroy.

Okay!:thumbsup:

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Posted 24 January 2009 - 08:11 AM

I am with GotoGirl on this of course - and the funding release is not "for abortions" it is for organizations that do not necessarily prohibit them as a topic of discussion or course of action. The idea of people who can't wait to stream into poor countries and suck 7 month old fetuses out of the womb for fun and profit is laughable.

I understand that there will be people who will never see the difference between a collection of cells and a human being and I appreciate that. But the gist is, pro-choice measures in no way take from your personal views on the subject and how it relates to your life, while anti-choice does have that effect on people who have come to a different conclusion. Conservatives want less government involvement in their lives, but don't seem to have a problem with it imposing their views on others when it suits them.

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Posted 24 January 2009 - 08:18 AM

I am with GotoGirl on this of course - and the funding release is not "for abortions" it is for organizations that do not necessarily prohibit them as a topic of discussion or course of action. The idea of people who can't wait to stream into poor countries and suck 7 month old fetuses out of the womb for fun and profit is laughable.

I understand that there will be people who will never see the difference between a collection of cells and a human being and I appreciate that. But the gist is, pro-choice measures in no way take from your personal views on the subject and how it relates to your life, while anti-choice does have that effect on people who have come to a different conclusion. Conservatives want less government involvement in their lives, but don't seem to have a problem with it imposing their views on others when it suits them.


Are you saying that because to me once a chick gets knocked up she's with child, while to you let's say what anywhere from 8 weeks on it becomes one, or do you subscribe to first breathology. I appreciate you appreciating me on my opinion, but to me if we as people know what that little thing in her belly is and will become a baby how all of a sudden do we demean and call it a clump of cells. If it becomes a kid, it's a damn kid.

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Posted 24 January 2009 - 08:21 AM

No one wants abortions to happen. This is why Obama is trying to extend a hand across the isle to find a way to prevent more unwanted pregnancies from happening. I think we can all get behind that, no?

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Posted 24 January 2009 - 08:27 AM

No one wants abortions to happen. This is why Obama is trying to extend a hand across the isle to find a way to prevent more unwanted pregnancies from happening. I think we can all get behind that, no?


I kind of jumped in head first on this one, when I hear abortion there's something in my brain that cuts on or off, (idk which), I guess that i'm so far against it anything that looks, talks, or walks like pro-abortion (pro-choice) pisses me off.

If Obama can end convinience abortions, he might actually make me smile.

psst..i'm conservative

By the way this is the first time i've talked to you Zod, hello.

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Posted 24 January 2009 - 08:27 AM

Apparently not if it involves even just discussing abortion as an option

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Posted 24 January 2009 - 08:33 AM

Apparently not if it involves even just discussing abortion as an option


I got in right before your post so I didn't get a chance to read it, but having abortions freely because little Jane got popped at 13 isn't an excuse. That's where I stand, if a doctor tells you that your baby will seriously jeporadize your health during you preg/delivery then you should be able to consider it, however much I still don't like it, but that's between you and your other half or God if you follow that route.

I respect a woman's right to her body, but in the end like in previous posts, a baby day one born is also a baby at day one womb.

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Posted 24 January 2009 - 08:34 AM

Are you saying that because to me once a chick gets knocked up she's with child, while to you let's say what anywhere from 8 weeks on it becomes one, or do you subscribe to first breathology. I appreciate you appreciating me on my opinion, but to me if we as people know what that little thing in her belly is and will become a baby how all of a sudden do we demean and call it a clump of cells. If it becomes a kid, it's a damn kid.


Every sperm I have has the potential to become a kid as well. Every egg a woman produces has that potential. Should we feel a moral obligation to try and use every single one for procreation? See? There is no "black and white" moment. There is a time when a fetus should be considered a separate life, but everyone on teh planet can have a different opinion about it. That's just the way it is. The Bible itself assigns less importance to the life of a fetus, and claims that life does not begin until breathing is started. I am a bit more conservative on that myself.

I don't know how you can demean a clump of cells. I mean, it is literally a clump of cells. A majority of fertilized eggs never attach to the uterus anyways, so if it makes you feel better about it, God himself is probably the biggest "abortionist" out there today.


And I am not trying to belittle you or anyone else. I am just pointing out the simple fact that this is only a judgement call, and one that one group has no right forcing on another. The law as defined in Roe vs. Wade is a good compromise for all parties, and is why it is, after all this time, still the law of the land.

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Posted 24 January 2009 - 08:36 AM

Every sperm I have has the potential to become a kid as well. Every egg a woman produces has that potential. Should we feel a moral obligation to try and use every single one for procreation?



I know I do.

This is why I have 32 jars of "Mayo" in my fridge.