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#13 Jase

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 12:01 PM

merry 4 days after the winter solstice everyone!

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 12:03 PM

Christmas is a non-Christian holiday as well. In fact, Jesus was born sometime in the late summer/early fall.

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 12:16 PM

Was Jesus pagan?


http://www.religious...rg/xmas_sel.htm

The actual birthday of Jesus was forgotten by the early Christian movement. in those days, various groups celebrated his birth on JAN-6, APR-21 and MAY-1. By the 4th century, the church selected the approximate time of the winter solstice as the date to recognize Jesus' birth. They picked up this date from Pagan sources. As luck would have it, the autumn equinox might have been a more accurate choice.

The winter solstice occurs about DEC-21 each year. It is the day of the year when the night is longest and the daytime shortest. Using the crude instruments available, ancient astronomers were able to detect by DEC-25 of each year that the daytime had become noticeably longer. This date was chosen, and remains, the traditional date for followers of many different Pagan religions to celebrate the rebirth of the sun. Following the solstice, each succeeding day has slightly more sunlight than the previous day. It was seen as a promise that warmth would return once more to the earth. Numerous pre-Christian Pagan religions honored their gods' birth or rebirth on or about that day. Their deities were typically called: Son of Man, Light of the World, Sun of Righteousness, Bridegroom, and Savior. Some examples are:
bullet Roman Pagan Religion: Attis was a son of the virgin Nana. His birth was celebrated on DEC-25. He was sacrificed as an adult in order to bring salvation to mankind. He died about MAR-25, after being crucified on a tree, and descended for three days into the underworld. On Sunday, he arose, as the solar deity for the new season. His followers tied an image of Attis to a tree on "Black Friday," and carried him in a procession to the temple. His body was symbolically eaten by his followers in the form of bread. Worship of Attis began in Rome circa 200 BCE.
bullet Greek Pagan Religion: Dionysus is another savior-god whose birth was observed on DEC-25. He was worshipped throughout much of the Middle East as well. He had a center of worship in Jerusalem in the 1st century BCE. Some ancient coins have been found in Gaza with Dionysus on one side and JHWH (Jehovah) on the other. In later years, his flesh and blood were symbolically eaten in the form of bread and wine. He was viewed as the son of Zeus, the Father God.
bullet Egyptian Pagan Religion: Osiris is a savior-god who had been worshipped as far back as Neolithic times. "He was called Lord of Lords, King of Kings, God of Gods...the Resurrection and the Life, the Good shepherd...the god who 'made men and women be born again'" 5 Three wise men announced his birth. His followers ate cakes of wheat which symbolized his body. Many sayings associated with Osiris were taken over into the Bible. This included:
bullet 23rd Psalm: an appeal to Osiris as the good Shepherd to lead believers through the valley of the shadow of death and to green pastures and still waters
bullet Lord's Prayer: "O amen, who art in heaven..."
bullet Many parables attributed to Jesus.

Worship of Osiris, and celebration of his DEC-25 birth, were established throughout the Roman Empire by the end of the 1st century BCE.
bullet Persian Pagan Religion: Mithra was a Persian savior. Worship of Mithra became common throughout the Roman Empire, particularly among the Roman civil service and military. Mithraism was a competitor of Christianity until the 4th century. Their god was believed to have been born on DEC-25, circa 500 BCE. His birth was witnessed by shepherds and by gift-carrying Magi. This was celebrated as the "Dies Natalis Solic Invite," The "Birthday of the Unconquered Sun." Some followers believed that he was born of a virgin. During his life, he performed many miracles, cured many illnesses, and cast out devils. He celebrated a Last Supper with his 12 disciples. He ascended to heaven at the time of the spring equinox, about March 21.

The Babylonians celebrated their "Victory of the Sun-God" Festival on DEC-25. Saturnalia (the Festival of Saturn) was celebrated from DEC-17 to 23 in the Roman Empire. The Roman Emperor Aurelian blended Saturnalia with a number of birth celebrations of savior Gods from other religions, into a single holy day: DEC-25. After much argument, the developing Christian church adopted this date as the birthday of their savior, Jesus. The people of the Roman Empire were accustomed to celebrating the birth of a God on that day. So, it was easy for the church to divert people's attention to Jesus' birth.



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Posted 29 November 2010 - 12:19 PM

merry 4 days after the winter solstice everyone!


http://en.wikipedia....Winter_solstice

In 46 BCE, Julius Caesar in his Julian calendar established December 25 as the date of the winter solstice of Europe


It varies every year, smartass...

lol

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 12:21 PM

non-christians call it Xmas

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 12:23 PM

non-christians call it Xmas


negative... the X still represents the cross...

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 12:29 PM

Since the "date" isn't nailed down in text....it's not about the date.

It's simply the appreciation of the event. It could happen July 4th for all that matters. A day is no more stolen a day than the fact my birthday may fall on George Washington's birthday.

If you're focusing on the specific day, the presents, a tree, ornaments, etc.....then why bother unless you're just simply wanting to play along. Because of all the people that will boast the pagan idoltry that's "creeped" into Christmas, I seriously doubt they're pagans either. So what's the point.

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 12:30 PM

http://www.carolinah...-christmas.html

Merry Saturnalia everyone... courtesy of Fiz

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 12:31 PM

Since the "date" isn't nailed down in text....it's not about the date.

It's simply the appreciation of the event. It could happen July 4th for all that matters. A day is no more stolen a day than the fact my birthday may fall on George Washington's birthday.

If you're focusing on the specific day, the presents, a tree, ornaments, etc.....then why bother unless you're just simply wanting to play along. Because of all the people that will boast the pagan idoltry that's "creeped" into Christmas, I seriously doubt they're pagans either. So what's the point.


LOL you blindly accept the newer version of the story, because you have faith... So, you are comfortable playing along while celebrating an event which, for all we know historically, never even took place...

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 12:34 PM

You know more know that the event did not take place than if Aristotle actually existed.

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 12:34 PM

Since the "date" isn't nailed down in text....it's not about the date.

It's simply the appreciation of the event. It could happen July 4th for all that matters. A day is no more stolen a day than the fact my birthday may fall on George Washington's birthday.

If you're focusing on the specific day, the presents, a tree, ornaments, etc.....then why bother unless you're just simply wanting to play along. Because of all the people that will boast the pagan idoltry that's "creeped" into Christmas, I seriously doubt they're pagans either. So what's the point.


It didn't creep into it, it's based on it.

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Posted 29 November 2010 - 12:35 PM

It didn't creep into it, it's based on it.


Do you know the exact reason the date was chosen?