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He gets intercepted once every 34 throws. He averages 25 attempts a game, which is a good bit less that 1 a game. Yes the others throw more than him, so here are some stats for you.

Delhomme 1 in 34

Brees 1 in 37

Romo 1 in 32

Warner 1 in 42

Cutler 1 in 34

Favre 1 in 23

Rothlisbergher 1 in 31

Bulger 1 in 33

Seem to be in line with the best qb's in the league and he just got off a possible career ending surgery that has never been done to anyone in the NFL ever.

How about a deeper look at statistics.

How many of those interceptions were either:

a) in the red zone which stopped a scoring opportunity for a team

B) or deep in the opponent's territory that lead to a score.

3) how many multi-game interceptions or fumbles in each game

Statistics don't show the game impact when taken as a whole.

I have supported Delhomme, so this is not a 'bash Jake' reply by me.

The fact is he holds the ball too long, turns the ball over and throws into double-triple coverage when he could either throw the ball away, throw to a secondary receiver, take the sack, or god forbide just tuck it and run.

He does not make consistently good decisions.

I think he's a very good man and a team player so to say the things above is painful to me; but, in reality all the Panthers ask him to do is manage the game. Everytime he goes back to pass, and really its been this way for the past 3-4 years, everyone holds their breath waiting for the fumble in the pocket or the stupid throw into double or triple coverage, or an underthrown ball.

Again, as someone else posted this has been discussed many times before; nor do we need to look back at 2007. Other teams, (take NE) had a backup QB who had never started a game and their record was 11-5.

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Jake is an interception machine. And a fumbler. We need an upgrade.

Who do you recommended?

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How about a deeper look at statistics.

How many of those interceptions were either:

a) in the red zone which stopped a scoring opportunity for a team

B) or deep in the opponent's territory that lead to a score.

3) how many multi-game interceptions or fumbles in each game

Statistics don't show the game impact when taken as a whole.

I have supported Delhomme, so this is not a 'bash Jake' reply by me.

The fact is he holds the ball too long, turns the ball over and throws into double-triple coverage when he could either throw the ball away, throw to a secondary receiver, take the sack, or god forbide just tuck it and run.

He does not make consistently good decisions.

I think he's a very good man and a team player so to say the things above is painful to me; but, in reality all the Panthers ask him to do is manage the game. Everytime he goes back to pass, and really its been this way for the past 3-4 years, everyone holds their breath waiting for the fumble in the pocket or the stupid throw into double or triple coverage, or an underthrown ball.

Again, as someone else posted this has been discussed many times before; nor do we need to look back at 2007. Other teams, (take NE) had a backup QB who had never started a game and their record was 11-5.

I see what you are saying but we were 12-4!!!!! so I don't think he cost us too many games

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Who do you recommended?

I think Matt Moore has a lot of potential.

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He gets intercepted once every 34 throws. He averages 25 attempts a game, which is a good bit less that 1 a game. Yes the others throw more than him, so here are some stats for you.

Delhomme 1 in 34

Brees 1 in 37

Romo 1 in 32

Warner 1 in 42

Cutler 1 in 34

Favre 1 in 23

Rothlisbergher 1 in 31

Bulger 1 in 33

Seem to be in line with the best qb's in the league and he just got off a possible career ending surgery that has never been done to anyone in the NFL ever.

How is this of any importance? Jake threw more picks than TDs this season. By anyone's definition, that's a failure.

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Great research! Maybe a few of the knee jerk "Kill Jake" types will step back and think now? Naaaaaaaaaaaaah :idea:

Thinking is in short supply, sometimes.

It's probably all wrong. I just checked Roethlisberger's stats for this year and his number for him was way off.

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How is this of any importance? Jake threw more picks than TDs this season. By anyone's definition, that's a failure.

And he's a fumbler too. Dude is too much of a liability. I know some of us want to hold on to guys forever, but a time comes when we have to upgrade. Everyone on this board knows I was a fan of Deshaun Foster when he was here in Carolina. I still have alot of respect for the guy for what he did for us in our playoff years. But the fact is, Deshaun became a liability and started putting the ball on the ground too much. He's gone now and we've upgraded the RB position which in turn led us to have one of the best RB tandems in the league. Well, Jake Delhomme is pretty much the same way. He's become a liability to this team and at his age is only going to get worse. What I wanna know is, why can we be honest about everyone on this team's performance and value to the team, but with Jake Delhomme we want to pour syrup on poo and tell people its pancakes? Why is it just set in stone that we just have to accept Jake no matter how shitty he plays? The fact is, this team existed before Jake Delhomme got here and will exist long after he's retired, eventually we will have to replace him and the longer we continue to put that off, the worse this franchise will be for it.

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How is this of any importance? Jake threw more picks than TDs this season. By anyone's definition, that's a failure.

Exactly.

Looking further into the stats, you can show just how useless they really are -

Jake threw 1 INT out of every 34 passes, and Romo threw them 1/32.

But take this stat into account too: Delhomme also only threw 1 touchdown in every 27 attempts. Romo? 1 in every 17.

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It's probably all wrong. I just checked Roethlisberger's stats for this year and his number for him was way off.

Big Ben had 17 TDs and 15 INTs in 469 attempts and he had 14 fumbles.

Jake Delhomme had 15 TDs and 12 INTs in 414 attempts and Jake only had 5 fumbles.

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Exactly.

Looking further into the stats, you can show just how useless they really are -

Jake threw 1 INT out of every 34 passes, and Romo threw them 1/32.

But take this stat into account too: Delhomme also only threw 1 touchdown in every 27 attempts. Romo? 1 in every 17.

Our running backs scored 30 TDs in the regular season. Jake didn't have to or need to throw in the red zone, because of the offensive philosophy of the team. So the TD pass stat in this instance is fairly irrelevant.

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It's probably all wrong. I just checked Roethlisberger's stats for this year and his number for him was way off.

Rothlisberger had 469 attempts and 15 ints 469 divided by 15 equals 31. Checks out for me unless nfl.com stats are wrong.

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Exactly.

Looking further into the stats, you can show just how useless they really are -

Jake threw 1 INT out of every 34 passes, and Romo threw them 1/32.

But take this stat into account too: Delhomme also only threw 1 touchdown in every 27 attempts. Romo? 1 in every 17.

Because the Cowboys didn't have as good of a run game as us.

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