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#31 Sam Mills Fan

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Posted 25 January 2009 - 01:49 PM

I wouldn't even give Jake the honor of calling him mediocre. He's flat-out bad. Here are a list of current QBs I'd take over Jake:

Matt Ryan
Drew Brees
Romo
McNabb
Jason Campbell
Eli
Kurt Warner
Shaun Hill (he and Thigpen are the most underrated QBs in the NFL)
Aaron Rodgers
Matt Cassel
Brady
Trent Edwards
Pennington
Peyton
Matt Schaub
Rivers
Cutler
Thigpen
Roethlisberger
Flacco
Carson Palmer
Brady Quinn

If there are 22 better quarterbacks than you in the league, does that even make you mediocre?

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Posted 25 January 2009 - 01:50 PM

Do they keep stats on how many times he banked one off the DT's forehead on 2nd and 8??
I don't mean to bash him cause he's took us to the Super Bowl and we really sucked without him last year. Is it just me or does he not have alot of passes batted down at the line of scrimmage at the worst times.
Here's hoping the new QB coach makes some adjustments.

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Posted 25 January 2009 - 01:50 PM

Of course by your "logic" Travaris Jackson is a really accurate quarterback because he threw 9 TDs with only 3 Ints. I suppose that during the Colts' Super Bowl run in 2006 that since Peyton Manning threw something like 3 TDs versus 8 INTs, that he is "inaccurate".


Travaris Jackson only played half the year so you technically cannot use him as an example.

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Posted 25 January 2009 - 01:50 PM

And he's a fumbler too. Dude is too much of a liability. I know some of us want to hold on to guys forever, but a time comes when we have to upgrade. Everyone on this board knows I was a fan of Deshaun Foster when he was here in Carolina. I still have alot of respect for the guy for what he did for us in our playoff years. But the fact is, Deshaun became a liability and started putting the ball on the ground too much. He's gone now and we've upgraded the RB position which in turn led us to have one of the best RB tandems in the league. Well, Jake Delhomme is pretty much the same way. He's become a liability to this team and at his age is only going to get worse. What I wanna know is, why can we be honest about everyone on this team's performance and value to the team, but with Jake Delhomme we want to pour syrup on sh*t and tell people its pancakes? Why is it just set in stone that we just have to accept Jake no matter how sh*tty he plays? The fact is, this team existed before Jake Delhomme got here and will exist long after he's retired, eventually we will have to replace him and the longer we continue to put that off, the worse this franchise will be for it.


You keep saying he is a fumbler, how many did he have? The Carolina Panthers have only existed for a little over 10 years and look what they have done and what Jake has done for us- Playoffs, super bowl, nfc championship game, etc. Good god, americas team (cowboys) hasn't even won a playoff game since we have existed. Until this year jake was one of the best playoff qb's ever ans he fkd up badly but I'm not gonna give up on him no matter how pissed I was 2 weeks ago, he's the best we got.
I am pretty sure the front office is happy with McCown and Moore and are not gonna waste a pick on a qb who more than likely will be a flop like most of them are. I do not think Jake is God and we all know how mad he makes us sometimes but he's the best we got and he will be here for atleast a couple more years unless he really stinks it up next year. Some of you idiots sound like Eagles fans calling for Mcnabb and Reids head when all they have done is take them to like 5 championship games in like the last 7 years. Again I say he had major surgery and am sure he is still getting used to his throwing motion as well as a new offensive coordinator, I am willing to give him a pass this time.

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Posted 25 January 2009 - 01:52 PM

T-Jack's crappiness is the exception to the rule. Just because he is the one lone exception doesn't somehow mean you can throw them all out.

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Posted 25 January 2009 - 01:53 PM

Jake Delhomme stats were brought down by 3 bad games.
Take out those 3 games and he had 16tds(2 of them rushing) and 4ints in the other 14 games.
Shows he was good for 14 games and bad for 3 games.
I'll take that.

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Posted 25 January 2009 - 01:54 PM

I wouldn't even give Jake the honor of calling him mediocre. He's flat-out bad. Here are a list of current QBs I'd take over Jake:

Matt Ryan
Drew Brees
Romo
McNabb
Jason Campbell
Eli
Kurt Warner
Shaun Hill (he and Thigpen are the most underrated QBs in the NFL)
Aaron Rodgers
Matt Cassel
Brady
Trent Edwards
Pennington
Peyton
Matt Schaub
Rivers
Cutler
Thigpen
Roethlisberger
Flacco
Carson Palmer
Brady Quinn

If there are 22 better quarterbacks than you in the league, does that even make you mediocre?


I checked stats closely and used logic.

Brady Quinn can not be used because he did not start the most games for the Browns this year.

Thigpen did not play the whole year that is why he is underrated. Given him an entire season then we could really tell.

Trent Edwards did not play the whole year so give him an entire season.

Shaun Hill did not play the whole year, give him an entire season.

Jason Campbell only threw 13 touchdowns, we need a quarterback that can at least throw 15 touchdowns.

#38 Fireball77

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Posted 25 January 2009 - 01:57 PM

Shaun Hill (he and Thigpen are the most underrated QBs in the NFL)


Dude, for real, you list a bunch of guys who have played like 5-17 NFL games and call them definitively better? You have a right to your opinion of course but, wow....

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Posted 25 January 2009 - 01:58 PM

Where are the stats for 4th quarter game winning drives?
Guy like Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees put up great stats but couldn't lead a game winning drive to save their life.

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Posted 25 January 2009 - 01:58 PM

Jake Delhomme stats were brought down by 3 bad games.
Take out those 3 games and he had 16tds(2 of them rushing) and 4ints in the other 14 games.
Shows he was good for 14 games and bad for 3 games.
I'll take that.


I'm going to say this as nicely as I can:

That's incredibly incredibly stupid. You realize you can do the same thing for other quarterbacks to skew the results right?

Just because you don't want his poor games to count against him doesn't mean they magically never happened.

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Posted 25 January 2009 - 02:00 PM

I'm going to post the number of TDs and picks each starting QB threw this season:

Delhomme: 16 TDs, 17 picks
Matt Ryan: 18 TDs, 13 picks
Brees: 34 TDs, 17 picks
Jeff Garcia: 12 TDs, 6 picks

Romo: 26 TDs, 14 picks
McNabb: 28 TDs, 15 picks
Campbell: 13 TDs, 6 picks
Eli Manning: 21 TDs, 12 picks

Warner: 38 TDs, 16 picks
Shaun Hill: 13 TDs, 8 picks
Seneca Wallace: 11 TDs, 3 picks
Bulger: 11 TDs, 13 picks

Orton: 18 TDs, 12 picks
Orlovsky: 8 TDs, 8 picks
T Jackson: 9 TDs, 3 picks
Rodgers: 28 TDs, 13 picks

Cassel: 21 TDs, 11 picks
Favre: 22 TDs, 22 picks
Trent Edwards: 11 TDs, 10 picks
Pennington: 20 TDs, 11 picks

Peyton Manning: 28 TDs, 12 picks
Schaub: 15 TDs, 10 picks
Garrard: 15 TDs, 13 picks
Collins: 12 TDs, 8 picks

Rivers: 37 TDs, 13 picks
Cutler: 25 TDs, 18 picks
Russell: 13 TDs, 8 picks
Thigpen: 18 TDs, 12 picks

Roethlisberger: 19 TDs, 15 picks
Flacco: 15 TDs, 15 picks
Fitzpatrick: 8 TDs, 9 picks
Anderson: 9 TDs, 8 picks

Congratulations Jake Delhomme! You joined Ryan Fitzpatrick and Marc Bulger as the only regular starting quarterbacks this season that threw more picks than touchdowns! Yet you still have people trying to use stats to show how accurate a passer you are! :D


Congraulations those stats include the playoffs, he did not have more int's than td's in the regular season and no one is arguing how bad he was in the playoffs this year.

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Posted 25 January 2009 - 02:01 PM

Where are the stats for 4th quarter comebacks?


Doesn't matter because of how misleading they are, especially for the Panthers. I know at least two of Jake's miraculous 4th quarter comebacks this year were based off long hail mary type passes to Smith.

He should get the credit for those comebacks, not Jake. Ryan Fitzpatrick and Dan Orlovsky could chuck the ball up for grabs too and probably have some success with Steve Smith as one of their receivers.

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Posted 25 January 2009 - 02:01 PM

I wouldn't even give Jake the honor of calling him mediocre. He's flat-out bad. Here are a list of current QBs I'd take over Jake:

Matt Ryan
Drew Brees
Romo
McNabb
Jason Campbell
Eli
Kurt Warner
Shaun Hill (he and Thigpen are the most underrated QBs in the NFL)
Aaron Rodgers
Matt Cassel
Brady
Trent Edwards
Pennington
Peyton
Matt Schaub
Rivers
Cutler
Thigpen
Roethlisberger
Flacco
Carson Palmer
Brady Quinn

If there are 22 better quarterbacks than you in the league, does that even make you mediocre?


If you would truely have all those qb's over jake then there is no point in arguing with you and thank god you are not running this team.

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Posted 25 January 2009 - 02:03 PM

I'm going to say this as nicely as I can:

That's incredibly incredibly stupid. You realize you can do the same thing for other quarterbacks to skew the results right?

Just because you don't want his poor games to count against him doesn't mean they magically never happened.


14 good games
3 bad games
12-4
Who would you recommended as the starting QB next season?
And what do you think our record would have been this past season if we had a "good" QB?

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Posted 25 January 2009 - 02:03 PM

Congraulations those stats include the playoffs, he did not have more int's than td's in the regular season and no one is arguing how bad he was in the playoffs this year.


So the Cards game didn't count?

Playoff games count just as much as the regular season, even more so.

Just like our official record for this season wasn't 12-4, it was 12-5. Just like it wasn't 11-5 in 2003, it was 14-6.


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