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That's what she said.

More like some underprivileged asian young male slave worker, who is spending his 8 hour shift playing world of warcraft to sell the gold he farms to feed his family and when he takes a break, the slave driver tells him to post about his owner's other business, the sweatshop.

Lucy user name probably comes from I love lucy since the tv programming they get is years behind normally.

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I really hope we take a TE with the 3rd round pick if there are any top 3 prospects still waiting. If it looks like we can still get a monster in the 4th though, I can (maybe) wait until then.

Jeff King has run his course imo. He's a nonfactor in the passing game and regardless of our QB situation, we need to have a TE to open up the middle of the field. Rosario's run blocking isn't the best, but he's definitely becoming a factor in the passing game. I also don't understand why Barnidge is never used. I swear, it's as if they radio down to the QB who to target. Let Rosario, Barnidge, and whomever we draft (if we draft a TE) battle it out in training camp.

I still believe in Charles Godfrey. For all the people that were hating on him after Peyton "I'M A WHITE RUNNING BACK LOL RACE WAAAAR" Hillis trucked him (and yea... it was bad. Peyton even got down on one knee to declare that he was a God damn man after sheathing Excalibur into the endzone), how about how just a few snaps earlier he was th-><-is close to getting yet another pick. Godfrey is like mini-Chris Harris, and I can live with that, so long as he is able to control his need to hit something and doesn't get put on blast in coverage. He's responded well to competition, and I think a contract is going to motivate him.

Yaye Geoff Schwarz! Words cannot describe how happy I'll be if he's able to continue his steady improvement and be ready to take over at LT when Gross retires/contract lets up. Unless he ends up being trash. Then I'll be sad.

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Added in a summary for those who can;t be bothered to read the statistical breakdowns and progressions. I admit I never intended to write that much so fully expect most to just ignore this...

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I agree with all except Otah is a good pick because he has given us 2 really good years. Bernadeau is poor because he has regressed and ended up getting benched.

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Connor is not elite.

Also, Godfrey can still be a good safety. He's one of the more athletic guys on the team. If he finds consistency he'll be good.

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He has never had consistency and highly doubt he'll ever find it and doubt he'll even be on the team next year.

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I agree with all except Otah is a good pick because he has given us 2 really good years. Bernadeau is poor because he has regressed and ended up getting benched.

No I agree that Otah was a good pick. If this season is an anomaly then we have one of the better (top 16-20) RT's in the NFL.

Do not read too much into Bernadeau's benching, he was performing no worse than everyone else on the line, he was simply the 'young guy' and Fox felt he needed to change something. He has a good % play in the passing game for not giving up pressure, however his problem area is the run game and thus why he is much better at LG than RG.

People will shoot me down, but Wharton has been a liability in the run game this season. Williams is not an NFL calibre player...

Connor is not elite.

Also, Godfrey can still be a good safety. He's one of the more athletic guys on the team. If he finds consistency he'll be good.

Connor is an elite MLB. It's understandable if you disagree, but there are perhaps 10 other MLBs/ILBs than have been as good as he is against the run. His production has trumped Beason's when he has been in the middle and just look at the jump in teams running on us since he has gone down...

Connor is not an elite line backer, but he is almost perfect for our scheme in just crashing the line and disrupting the running game. He also is a very good blitzer. That is why he is an elite MLB, because everything a MLB needs to do, he does incredibly well. We sub him out in passing situations and nickel packages, so we do not even ask him to be in coverage much at all.

The thing with Godfrey and why teams need to give 3 years at least, is that often it takes time for players to 'get it'. Godfrey has the most starting experience out of this entire draft class for us and almost all of the other picks have surpassed him in his effectiveness.

There just comes a point where athletic potential has to be forgotten about when the player costs us time and again. Like I said, he has some terrific games, but his mistakes and poor games FAR exceed the amount of good plays and games he has had.

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Connor is not an elite line backer, but he is almost perfect for our scheme

We run a version of the Tampa 2, which requires the MLB to play deep mid-field. Anything that goes deep in the middle of the field is the MLB's responsibility. So no he's not perfect for the Tampa 2, however I am very high on Connor and his run stopping ability.

Would I call him elite? Absolutely not, has had limited playing time, in which there is not enough to evaluate his performance. No Pro Bowls. He's a player on the rise, but to call him "elite" is not sober judgment.

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No I agree that Otah was a good pick. If this season is an anomaly then we have one of the better (top 16-20) RT's in the NFL.

Do not read too much into Bernadeau's benching, he was performing no worse than everyone else on the line, he was simply the 'young guy' and Fox felt he needed to change something. He has a good % play in the passing game for not giving up pressure, however his problem area is the run game and thus why he is much better at LG than RG.

People will shoot me down, but Wharton has been a liability in the run game this season. Williams is not an NFL calibre player...

Connor is an elite MLB. It's understandable if you disagree, but there are perhaps 10 other MLBs/ILBs than have been as good as he is against the run. His production has trumped Beason's when he has been in the middle and just look at the jump in teams running on us since he has gone down...

Connor is not an elite line backer, but he is almost perfect for our scheme in just crashing the line and disrupting the running game. He also is a very good blitzer. That is why he is an elite MLB, because everything a MLB needs to do, he does incredibly well. We sub him out in passing situations and nickel packages, so we do not even ask him to be in coverage much at all.

The thing with Godfrey and why teams need to give 3 years at least, is that often it takes time for players to 'get it'. Godfrey has the most starting experience out of this entire draft class for us and almost all of the other picks have surpassed him in his effectiveness.

There just comes a point where athletic potential has to be forgotten about when the player costs us time and again. Like I said, he has some terrific games, but his mistakes and poor games FAR exceed the amount of good plays and games he has had.

If 10 other guys are just as good as him in something then thats not elite..IMO.

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I thought Godfrey was leading our team in picks???

and how the hell is Nick hayden not a bust, the guy is clearly not good enough.

Godfrey is also leading the team in TDs given up in coverage with 3. The interceptions he picked up have usually been down to mistakes by the offense, rather than exceptional play by him. This season is the first season he has made multiple turnovers, unfortunately he has coupled that with a significant increase in mistakes and being responsible for big plays and TDs.

Hayden is a bust. However it's difficult to list a 6th round pick as a bust, especially as he has achieved playing time (through situation rather than playing well).

We run a version of the Tampa 2, which requires the MLB to play deep mid-field. Anything that goes deep in the middle of the field is the MLB's responsibility. So no he's not perfect for the Tampa 2, however I am very high on Connor and his run stopping ability.

Would I call him elite? Absolutely not, has had limited playing time, in which there is not enough to evaluate his performance. No Pro Bowls. He's a player on the rise, but to call him "elite" is not sober judgment.

And yet he was only in coverage 29% of the time, run stuffing 60% of the time and blitzing approximately 9%. Sure he had to be in coverage at some time and he struggled, but was not abused. He has faired about as well as Beason has through this season in coverage...

Completely understand if you do not view him as elite, however the impact he made and the amount of defensive stops he managed really was head and shoulders above everyone in the NFL bar one or two It's a small sample size, but the whole point of reviewing their 3 year career was to judge where they are right now at the end of the three year period, and then look at their progression.

If 10 other guys are just as good as him in something then thats not elite..IMO.

10 guys are there or there abouts. Only one or two had the ratio of defensive stops to snaps and tackles that he did. So when I said that only 10 or so can do what he does, I purely meant have an impact in the run game, he is still one of the top in that bracket. I just meant those 9 or 10 where head and shoulders above everyone else, which is why they are an elite group. 104 players have played at MLB/ILB this season, with around 52 of them having played at least 25% of the available snaps, he probably ranks around 8th considering all aspects of the position (including his coverage skills), which would put him in the upper 15%. Personally that seem pretty elite.

When Marshall leaves we should work Godfrey out at CB.

I really do wonder how his career would have turned out. We had a need for a CB at the time as well anyway, so could have easily picked up a journeyman as a place holder. I think it might be a touch late in his career to start trying to learn the CB position as that is often a position that needs a couple of years to 'get it', however he will not last long as a safety so possible some team will try it.

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