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We lost PFFL and P4L picked right up for him.

Reality: I say its too early to call Clausen a bust, I provide my opinion , backed up by occasional facts to support this.

The Blown out of proportion way some of you think:What he doesent think Clausen sucks a big fat one? OMG he's a Clausen homer, he thinks Clausens gonna be the next Montana. P4l cant handle the truth. Lets make gay comments about him and pie and rep each other to show our united hate for Clausen and anybody who doesent agree that hes the worst qb ever

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wtf kind of logic are you using.

I say Clausen doesent have a noodle arm and prove it with something you can go on youtube and see.

Where does Jamarcus even come into the conversation.

You started by throwing out logic that he has an even decent arm on deep passes. When YAC yards made up nearly half of Golden Tate's yards in college.

JaMarcus Russell was to throw out a random QB who has the opposite strength of Clausen with nearly the same accuracy throughout college and a higher yards per attempt than Clausen. JR got himself into personal trouble but ultimately struggled with anything that isnt a deep throw.

A QB can not throw it deep all the time to succeed but in the same token a QB cannot be dink and dunk. You could break out Gannon or Montana, who had the same factor of playing with Jerry. Why Montana you say? Jimmy is suppose to be a Montana clone. That was his billing from ND the whole time he was there. Montana had him when he was young and while he would dink and dunk in WCO, they would open it up down field and he had enough to hit those guys in stride 45-50+ no problem. Gannon had the older Rice and Tim Brown, but still yet they would stretch the field with James Jett. Rice and Brown at the point were on their last legs and both were 5+ and +12+ years older than our WR's now are, so they have an excuse for check down and possession ball. Not to mention Gannon could create plays when they broke down. Gannon was also around 65-67% accuracy playing check down ball.

Jimmy struggles with deep throws and has a questionable arm at best. Yet, your trying to pawn him off as being better than his 1 td pass in 166 attemps, barely 50% completion ratio, and blame it all squarely on the Oline and his WR's who are making progress, while he has shown very little. One man a team does not make, but damned if one man doesn't dictate a shitload in the NFL.

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You started by throwing out logic that he has an even decent arm on deep passes. When YAC yards made up nearly half of Golden Tate's yards in college.

JaMarcus Russell was to throw out a random QB who has the opposite strength of Clausen with nearly the same accuracy throughout college and a higher yards per attempt than Clausen. JR got himself into personal trouble but ultimately struggled with anything that isnt a deep throw.

Jimmy struggles with deep throws and has a questionable arm at best. Yet, your trying to pawn him off as being better than his 1 td pass in 166 attemps, barely 50% completion ratio, and blame it all squarely on the Oline and his WR's who are making progress, while he has shown very little.

Actually I blame Fox/Davidson more than anything for not only his troubles, but the teams as a whole.

Fox doesent trust him. He's had more than 1 consecutive 3 and out followed by another 3 and out that were all run plays.

Theres also been times where Clausen gets it to 3rd and short after a 2nd down completion, only for the drive to stall on a failed run on 3rd.

I'm not ready to say the guy sucks. If in fact he does end up sucking, what have you gained from it? Another wasted 2nd round pick by Hurney? I havent seen you complain about the people who drafted this so called terrible qb.

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Reality: I say its too early to call Clausen a bust, I provide my opinion , backed up by occasional facts to support this.

The Blown out of proportion way some of you think:What he doesent think Clausen sucks a big fat one? OMG he's a Clausen homer, he thinks Clausens gonna be the next Montana. P4l cant handle the truth. Lets make gay comments about him and pie and rep each other to show our united hate for Clausen and anybody who doesent agree that hes the worst qb ever

You said we think he's the worst QB ever? You just blew that out of proportion. You providing skewed stats geared towards making Clausen look better than he is actually performing is what makes it appear less than "objective" perspective on our QB situation.

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Actually I blame Fox/Davidson more than anything for not only his troubles, but the teams as a whole.

Fox doesent trust him. He's had more than 1 consecutive 3 and out followed by another 3 and out that were all run plays.

Theres also been times where Clausen gets it to 3rd and short after a 2nd down completion, only for the drive to stall on a failed run on 3rd.

I'm not ready to say the guy sucks. If in fact he does end up sucking, what have you gained from it? Another wasted 2nd round pick by Hurney? I havent seen you complain about the people who drafted this so called terrible qb.

http://www.carolinahuddle.com/forum/50542-panthers-to-bring-in-another-qb-6.html#post2807438

http://www.carolinahuddle.com/forum/49391-heres-hoping-edwards-gets-a-start-at-qb-this-year-14.html#post2782122

http://www.carolinahuddle.com/forum/45618-jarrett-says-agent-discussed-trade-option-with-panthers-in-the-offseason-16.html#post2704401

http://www.carolinahuddle.com/forum/carolina-panthers/45667-hypothetically-speaking-if-we-had-the-tools-on-offense.html#post2704144

They have had their rippings. I'd have the same satisification I did with CRA that touted around Jarrett being underappreciated, underutilized, and better than what he was.

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I don't get it.. I understand many of you don't like clausens play thus far..nor do I. But he showed improvement in the browns game. Its like you are rooting against him.. wouldn't it be better if he shows he can be productive... and we can trade down.. and fill other needs on our team instead of drafting another Qb? I'm all for taking luck if Jimmy doesn't show he can be a long term starter... but too root against him? We have other needs that could be filled as well.

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I don't get it.. I understand many of you don't like clausens play thus far..nor do I. But he showed improvement in the browns game. Its like you are rooting against him.. wouldn't it be better if he shows he can be productive... and we can trade down.. and fill other needs on our team instead of drafting another Qb? I'm all for taking luck if Jimmy doesn't show he can be a long term starter... but too root against him? We have other needs that could be filled as well.

Nah, people were calling his play in the Browns game like it was.....garbage. 40 seconds left in the game he hits one pass that ultimately meant nothing......and people then forget about what he did the entire game.

I am not rooting against him.....he just plays like a 7th round or undrafted rookie. Not what was advertised.

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never said he was better.....said he wasn't on the field enough for a fan to make certain judgements. I side with players up until they get on the field and suck.

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I don't get it.. I understand many of you don't like clausens play thus far..nor do I. But he showed improvement in the browns game. Its like you are rooting against him.. wouldn't it be better if he shows he can be productive... and we can trade down.. and fill other needs on our team instead of drafting another Qb? I'm all for taking luck if Jimmy doesn't show he can be a long term starter... but too root against him? We have other needs that could be filled as well.

In todays NFL QB is the single most important position on the field, you need a great one to be successful Clausen even if he improved 100% would be just mediocre, given how when early drafted qb's have faired in recent drafts (ryan,sanchez,flacco,freeman,stafford) and how ones with flaws fell (clausen)

I think passing on a guy that is a better prospect than all of them would be moronic we would be beating ourselves for it for the next decade.

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In todays NFL QB is the single most important position on the field, you need a great one to be successful Clausen even if he improved 100% would be just mediocre, given how when early drafted qb's have faired in recent drafts (ryan,sanchez,flacco,freeman,stafford) and how ones with flaws fell (clausen)

I think passing on a guy that is a better prospect than all of them would be moronic we would be beating ourselves for it for the next decade.

Brady Quinn is another example of falling because of flaws too. The ND hype machine is insane to say the least.

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In todays NFL QB is the single most important position on the field, you need a great one to be successful Clausen even if he improved 100% would be just mediocre, given how when early drafted qb's have faired in recent drafts (ryan,sanchez,flacco,freeman,stafford) and how ones with flaws fell (clausen) I think passing on a guy that is a better prospect than all of them would be moronic we would be beating ourselves for it for the next decade.

QBs taken in the first 2 rounds in the last 5 years:

2005: Alex Smith (#1), Aaron Rodgers (#24), Jason Campbell (#25)

2006: Vince Young (#3), Matt Leinart (#10), Jay Cutler (#11), Kellen Clemens (#45), Tarvaris Jackson (#64)

2007: JaMarcus Russel (#1), Brady Quinn (#22), Kevin Kolb (#36), John Beck (#40), Drew Stanton (#43)

2008: Matt Ryan (#3), Joe Flacco (#18), Brian Brohm (#56), Chad Henne (#57)

2009: Matthew Stafford (#1), Mark Sanchez (#5), Josh Freeman (#17), Pat White (#44)

2010: Sam Bradford (#1), The Golden Calf of Bristol (#25), Jimmy Clausen (#48)

CONCLUSION: Assuming anything about a player because of where they were taken in the draft is the right way to get on the wrong side.

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QBs taken in the first 2 rounds in the last 5 years:

2005: Alex Smith (#1), Aaron Rodgers (#24), Jason Campbell (#25)

2006: Vince Young (#3), Matt Leinart (#10), Jay Cutler (#11), Kellen Clemens (#45), Tarvaris Jackson (#64)

2007: JaMarcus Russel (#1), Brady Quinn (#22), Kevin Kolb (#36), John Beck (#40), Drew Stanton (#43)

2008: Matt Ryan (#3), Joe Flacco (#18), Brian Brohm (#56), Chad Henne (#57)

2009: Matthew Stafford (#1), Mark Sanchez (#5), Josh Freeman (#17), Pat White (#44)

2010: Sam Bradford (#1), The Golden Calf of Bristol (#25), Jimmy Clausen (#48)

CONCLUSION: Assuming anything about a player because of where they were taken in the draft is the right way to get on the wrong side.

If you take out second rounders this list looks a lot better.

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