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#16 Seamonk

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Posted 26 January 2009 - 10:23 PM

I hope the Panthers are not thinking of playing Tampa 2 defense. Tampa 2 is terrible at stopping the run, especially teams that play-action pass. Also it's easier to complete short passes against Tampa 2, but harder to complete long passes.

I'll give you an example of how teams attack our Cover 2. Let's take Chis Harris for example. He has a zone to defend in the deep half of the field. So our oppontent will line up 2 WRs on his side of the field. The WR to the outside runs a go route and ends up on the far left side of Harris' zone. The WR on the inside runs an out route and ends up on the far right side of Harris' zone. Harris can't defend both WRs. Our Cover 2 is designed to make teams attack us deep. The idea being that our front 4 will kill the QB before the WRs get to our Safeties and soft spots. We just didn't have a good pass rush this year.

Tampa 2 is designed to take the pressure off the Safeties and force the opposing team the throw short. Tampa 2 is NOT good against the short pass or play action runs up the middle. But the Tampa 2 is much better against deep passes than Cover 2. If we play Tampa 2, then teams will attack Diggs by sending a TE and WR on quick slants into his zone. Or worse, the TE will run a short curl route right near Diggs, while a WR runs a slant route through his zone. NOT GOOD. If Diggs takes the TE, then the WR will burn the trailing CB alive. If Diggs takes the WR, then the TE will be wide open and they will 'dink and dunk' us all day. I don't like Tampa 2.


Execution is a lot different than theoretics. Theoretically you'd think Tampa-2 is bad against the Pass because the short pass is usually open, however, they're usually better against the Pass. Why? Because they don't run Tampa 2 coverage all the time. yes they run it the majority of the time, but that's the thing, Running a Tampa 2 tricks offenses into thinking they'll be in that coverage most of the time, so when you mix it up, it catches them off guard. Especially when you force teams to start showing a tendency. It usually pays off. People point out how the colts d was bad against the run, and how Tampa's run D collapsed. But those aren't always the cases, the players make a difference, Indy lacked a D-Tackle that year they traded for McFarland. When we ran over Tampa, Jovan Haye was out. Ideally, when Bob Sanders came back for Indy, it balanced out the lack of Interior help. Although we probably won't be a true Tampa-2 team, I think the package will still be there. Of course this is just pure speculation.

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Posted 26 January 2009 - 10:49 PM

Execution is a lot different than theoretics. Theoretically you'd think Tampa-2 is bad against the Pass because the short pass is usually open, however, they're usually better against the Pass. Why? Because they don't run Tampa 2 coverage all the time. yes they run it the majority of the time, but that's the thing, Running a Tampa 2 tricks offenses into thinking they'll be in that coverage most of the time, so when you mix it up, it catches them off guard. Especially when you force teams to start showing a tendency. It usually pays off. People point out how the colts d was bad against the run, and how Tampa's run D collapsed. But those aren't always the cases, the players make a difference, Indy lacked a D-Tackle that year they traded for McFarland. When we ran over Tampa, Jovan Haye was out. Ideally, when Bob Sanders came back for Indy, it balanced out the lack of Interior help. Although we probably won't be a true Tampa-2 team, I think the package will still be there. Of course this is just pure speculation.



So Tampa-2 is good as a decoy? Ah yes Jovan Haye... now why does that name sound familiar? It was funny when the Bears were mugging to try and stop our running game. Even funnier when Tampa was obliterated. Now if you have the talent, yes Tampa-2 can be great. Like the 02' Bucs. Good Lord. Warren Sapp, Simeon Rice, John Lynch, those guys were outstanding and they made Tampa-2 work. When you have Sapp up the middle and Rice around the edge you can kick some ass. We've got Lewis... :( :nonod:

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Posted 26 January 2009 - 10:59 PM

So Tampa-2 is good as a decoy? Ah yes Jovan Haye... now why does that name sound familiar? It was funny when the Bears were mugging to try and stop our running game. Even funnier when Tampa was obliterated. Now if you have the talent, yes Tampa-2 can be great. Like the 02' Bucs. Good Lord. Warren Sapp, Simeon Rice, John Lynch, those guys were outstanding and they made Tampa-2 work. When you have Sapp up the middle and Rice around the edge you can kick some ass. We've got Lewis... :( :nonod:





A better Tampa 2 to describe is the Bears with Lovie Smith. Even if we go to a sole Tampa 2 and I dont think we will we have the line to do it cause basically Fox has loved the 2 deep coverage for a long time. Im not sure how it gonna work out but we have the players to do it. I would also like to say that zone is not always employed in the cover 2 or Tampa 2. It just lends its self to have 2 deep all the time to defend the deep ball.

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Posted 26 January 2009 - 11:06 PM

Anyway, back to the original topic. Our CBs can be cover 2, they just need to learn the zone concepts better. I doubt we'll be Cover 2 or Tampa 2, it's already been announced by Hurney that we're to stick with 4-3 base defense.

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Posted 26 January 2009 - 11:06 PM

all i know is that we got called for 1 pass interference call last year and that's just pathetic.


No, we were called for three, only one was accepted. Even three is a very low number.

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Posted 26 January 2009 - 11:12 PM

No, we were called for three, only one was accepted. Even three is a very low number.


I'd like to see how many times our secondary had blown coverage.

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Posted 26 January 2009 - 11:14 PM

We play a lot of Cover 2 now, shouldn't be much of a change for anyone.

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Posted 26 January 2009 - 11:16 PM

We play a lot of Cover 2 now, shouldn't be much of a change for anyone.


That's what I thought, I thought we played a lot of cover 2 because I remember articles about it last year but I couldn't find the article that said it.

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Posted 26 January 2009 - 11:18 PM

I'd like to see how many times our secondary had blown coverage.


We will never know that, unless you have access to coaches tape. We werent beat deep too many times this year, really a low number but blown coverages arent limited to deep plays. Other teams were able to have long drives to score on us which is the bend but dont break defense that gets worn out.

I think our corners could play cover two, but there are different variations with man under or different zones, not all press playing the flats. It refers to the safeties both playing deep. It was Dungy's scheme, not necessarily means Meeks will enforce it.

I think the question should be can the rest of the defense handle that scheme?

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Posted 26 January 2009 - 11:36 PM

Marshall yes, Gamble yes, Lucas no. Tampa 2 doesn't require great speed, but it requires sound tackling

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Posted 26 January 2009 - 11:38 PM

Marshall yes, Gamble yes, Lucas no. Tampa 2 doesn't require great speed, but it requires sound tackling


Lucas has shown he can be a sound tackler, at least in my opinion. It's his quickness where he's losing it..

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Posted 27 January 2009 - 12:05 AM

Anyway, back to the original topic. Our CBs can be cover 2, they just need to learn the zone concepts better. I doubt we'll be Cover 2 or Tampa 2, it's already been announced by Hurney that we're to stick with 4-3 base defense.



Most of the Tampa 2 runs out of the 4-3 base.

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Posted 27 January 2009 - 12:07 AM

Marshall yes, Gamble yes, Lucas no. Tampa 2 doesn't require great speed, but it requires sound tackling




Lucas is a better tackler then Gamble if you didnt know that. He is also slower. Marshall will do well in Tampa 2 because of his pass rushing ability and his size is not so much a factor.

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Posted 27 January 2009 - 12:18 AM

Lucas is a better tackler then Gamble if you didnt know that. He is also slower. Marshall will do well in Tampa 2 because of his pass rushing ability and his size is not so much a factor.


Yar. If there's anyone I want blitzing out of this defensive backfield that's not named Chris Harris, it's Richard Marshall.

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Posted 27 January 2009 - 12:28 AM

Lucas is a better tackler then Gamble if you didnt know that. He is also slower. Marshall will do well in Tampa 2 because of his pass rushing ability and his size is not so much a factor.



Not true. Lucas has shown that in the past he was an unreliable tackler and actually lost playing time to Marshall (who was a rookie at the time) due to the fact he was hardly aggressive and not a sound tackler at all. If Tampa 2 is truly our future then Marshall just got a promotion. Gamble has also shown, especially this past year, that he will lay a hit and wrap up.


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