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Like it or not, Clausen isnt the reason.


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#61 DeAngelo's #1 Fan(CRA)

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Posted 13 December 2010 - 11:24 AM

Ahahaha!

You've got to be joking, right? Dude is hit every other time he drops back to pass.

As for giving him the lead? Is that the Seattle game? Where we gave up 17 unanswered points in about 30 seconds?


Um, Jimmy is given time on occassion. Generally he sits back on those plays afraid to make a throw downfield. Good pass protection often leads to him eventually scrambling right and throwing it away.

And yes, he had a lead.......and yes he was a big part of the unanswered points. You implied he was always working in a huge hole like Atl at the half. That just isn't true. He just does nothing and teams pull away.

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Posted 13 December 2010 - 12:00 PM

Hey darth who do u want coaching for us next year?


I don't really know at this point... Way to early to even know who is in the race...

I'd actually be content with Brian Baker or Ron Meeks, at least for a year or two, but I think if we were leaning that route then we would have given them an early start and fired Fox by now...

My bottom line is that Fox, Hurney, and Davidson all need to go at this point... along with Rip Scherer... and even Dave Magazu has worn out his tenure with me...

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Posted 13 December 2010 - 12:02 PM

Um, Jimmy is given time on occassion. Generally he sits back on those plays afraid to make a throw downfield. Good pass protection often leads to him eventually scrambling right and throwing it away.

And yes, he had a lead.......and yes he was a big part of the unanswered points. You implied he was always working in a huge hole like Atl at the half. That just isn't true. He just does nothing and teams pull away.


You're gonna have to put together a YouTube or something, because apparently I'm not seeing the things you're seeing...

When given time AND an open receiver, Jimmy generally is on par with any above average rookie QB...

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Posted 13 December 2010 - 12:21 PM

You're gonna have to put together a YouTube or something, because apparently I'm not seeing the things you're seeing...

When given time AND an open receiver, Jimmy generally is on par with any above average rookie QB...


DVR the games and go back and watch.

also define an open reciever? you mean like Jonathan Stewart type open or the standard definition of open WR that most QBs hit downfield.

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Posted 13 December 2010 - 12:33 PM

DVR the games and go back and watch.

also define an open reciever? you mean like Jonathan Stewart type open or the standard definition of open WR that most QBs hit downfield.


I do DVR them... and I go back and watch... I think I have seen him not see one open guy all year, and that was David Clowney...

I've also seen him hit guys that are covered... I've also seen him hit guys that drop the ball...

I'm not saying he's Tom Brady... I'm saying he isn't the horrible player you want to make him out to be...

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Posted 13 December 2010 - 12:41 PM

I do DVR them... and I go back and watch... I think I have seen him not see one open guy all year, and that was David Clowney...

I've also seen him hit guys that are covered... I've also seen him hit guys that drop the ball...

I'm not saying he's Tom Brady... I'm saying he isn't the horrible player you want to make him out to be...


plenty of WRs have been open this season...for more QBs than just Clausen.

also, take into account when Clausen does his trademark scramble to the right he kills the play and forces everyone into "making" there own route.

Clausen has shown nothing to support the claims he isn't horrible. The rookie factor and OL play isn't enough of a defense at this point. He is checking down when you simply can't checkdown. His basic decision making is slow and wrong. His 10 hr wind up on this throw also allows defenders to close on WRs. He is bad....and he makes a bad OL look horrific. I can, I don't see how people argue against QB play effecting the OL.

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Posted 13 December 2010 - 12:50 PM

The same bad OL play made Jake look about the same, and many here still want him to be our QB...

The difference is that Clausen is a rookie and you threw him into the fire...

At this point, our best hopes lie in either getting Luck or Newton, signing a veteran to come in and be a leader/help groom the young guys, and continue on with Clausen for at least another year if Luck/Newton cannot unseat him...

If you throw either Luck or Newton in the same equation, the result will still be the same until you improve the OL, the play calling, and get WRs who are receivers... not glorified blockers...

EDIT: Also, the other team can't win if they don't score points... We need to tighten up our run D, and our coverages to help that out... (not saying use the #1 pick on it either, or any pick for that matter... just saying it is a need too)...

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Posted 13 December 2010 - 12:53 PM

just tired of the clausen bashing, hes a rookie, its expected,


no it isn't

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Posted 13 December 2010 - 12:56 PM

SLJ, (or Urious... why the hell did you change your SN?)

Clausen may be a rookie but some of the things he does and for that matter doesn't do are unacceptable in my view. I'm not saying give up on the kid but if he doesn't improve by the end of the offseason then he is done here.

What you mentioned absolutely must be improved yes, but players should make plays sometimes even when the situation around them is giving them a disadvantage akin to the one Clausen has this year. He is not making those plays.

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Posted 13 December 2010 - 12:57 PM

THE reason doesn't exist. There are many factors that contribute to the success and failure of a team. Clausen's ineptitude is however the single largest contributing factor to the team's inability to win games followed closely by the piss poor teamwork and blocking of the OL. Our OC is also a serious factor here and actually could be more of the reason we suck than Clausen but for the purposes of this discussion I would prefer to focus my own opinion on the people on the field rather than the coaches (read: Jeff Davidson) who I have been railing against since week one.


:hurray:

I understand defense has been sucking but we've had plenty of games where it's been close and in the 4th or 3rd (Ravens, Saints, Bucs, Rams) after a dozen 3 and outs our defense is gassed. Also did anyone else feel that when the Panthers were driving yesterday, the moment they put the ball in Jimmy's everything seemed to die down and go flat. With our offense we would need the Steelers D to win games no joke. Its a scoring league now and if you can't do that you're screwed.

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Posted 13 December 2010 - 01:03 PM

SLJ, (or Urious... why the hell did you change your SN?)

Clausen may be a rookie but some of the things he does and for that matter doesn't do are unacceptable in my view. I'm not saying give up on the kid but if he doesn't improve by the end of the offseason then he is done here.

What you mentioned absolutely must be improved yes, but players should make plays sometimes even when the situation around them is giving them a disadvantage akin to the one Clausen has this year. He is not making those plays.


Did you not see the play where he stepped up in the collapsed pocket and made an epic throw yesterday?

Did you not see the long play to Smitty last week?

He CAN make plays if given the opportunity, which we don't do more often than not...

Our entire passing offense the past few years has relied on a successful ground attack (which was absent this year when it counted) and chunking up prayers to Steve Smith... Teams corrected their ability to defend against said offense, and you get what we see every Sunday...

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Posted 13 December 2010 - 01:11 PM

Did you not see the play where he stepped up in the collapsed pocket and made an epic throw yesterday?

Did you not see the long play to Smitty last week?

He CAN make plays if given the opportunity, which we don't do more often than not...

Our entire passing offense the past few years has relied on a successful ground attack (which was absent this year when it counted) and chunking up prayers to Steve Smith... Teams corrected their ability to defend against said offense, and you get what we see every Sunday...


I will grant that he has made a few plays, but for instance the one where he stepped up into the pocket was such a large standout because it is something he should be doing much more often and is standard fare for an NFL QB. The fact that we can point out "the play where he stepped up" is not a good indicator in my opinion. You do have a point here though.

That said the OL is a major issue impacting him I realize, but I still expect something out of him. He isn't Aaron Rodgers but look at what Rodgers has done with a terrible OL.

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Posted 13 December 2010 - 01:12 PM

Our entire passing offense the past few years has relied on a successful ground attack (which was absent this year when it counted) and chunking up prayers to Steve Smith... Teams corrected their ability to defend against said offense, and you get what we see every Sunday...


umm how many yards did we get on the ground the last couple of games?

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Posted 13 December 2010 - 01:17 PM

umm how many yards did we get on the ground the last couple of games?


what part of when it counted do you not understand? lol

teams now just get a couple TDs on us and then sit back and rush the line every time... even I could rip off a couple big runs against that kind of defense...

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Posted 13 December 2010 - 01:18 PM

what part of when it counted do you not understand? lol

teams now just get a couple TDs on us and then sit back and rush the line every time... even I could rip off a couple big runs against that kind of defense...


lol if big run u mean a 5 yard sprint resulting in an asthma attack suree


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