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#1 Rented Mule

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Posted 19 December 2010 - 04:07 PM

1. Carolina Panthers
Top needs: DT, WR, QB
Pick strategy: Carolina is in a really peculiar spot. Right now they really need a dominating interior presence on the D-line, and Auburn's Nick Fairley is an option, but he'd be a bit of a reach. The Panthers also need help at wide receiver, but they're young there with guys like David Gettis and Brandon LaFell (Steve Smith could be elsewhere next year), and they wouldn't likely take A.J. Green at No. 1. Bottom line: It comes down to Andrew Luck. Don't take it as an indictment on Jimmy Clausen, who has struggled as you'd assume a rookie would in this setting, but they could really like their QB and still take Luck. If he's there, he's the guy. If he's not, it's a possible trade down, or perhaps Fairley has worked his way into this range.


Ya, I know we need a Defensive Tackle capable of collapsing the pocket but I don't see anyway we're passing on Luck if he's there when we draft. With the Bungles winning today it looks like we might just draft first.

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Posted 20 December 2010 - 09:13 AM

There is no way we pass on Andrew Luck. He's BPA, BPA at the most important position, and also our biggest need. DT isn't even CLOSE to as big a need as QB. If you put points on the board and keep your defense off the field then you automatically start forcing teams to throw and it doesn't really matter what kind of DT you have. QB effects every aspect of a football game...

If he doesn't come out then you have to at least think about one of the other QBs. Either that or sign a veteran because Jimmy Clausen is ruined and wasn't good to begin with.

Edited by unicar15, 20 December 2010 - 09:23 AM.


#3 Falcons1stPanthers2nd

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Posted 20 December 2010 - 12:03 PM

Franchise QB there=you take him. Green Bay did it with Rodgers when they still had Brett Favre for a couple more years.

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Posted 20 December 2010 - 01:10 PM

Ya, I know we need a Defensive Tackle capable of collapsing the pocket but I don't see anyway we're passing on Luck if he's there when we draft. With the Bungles winning today it looks like we might just draft first.


Why is mentioning Kiper weak? He's the best draft mind in the business, his word is pretty much good as gold and a ton of NFL personal think so.

Franchise QB there=you take him. Green Bay did it with Rodgers when they still had Brett Favre for a couple more years.


Yeah after they took "franchise QB" Rogers, next years draft they took QB Brian Brohm in the 2nd round....

So essentially they wasted a 2nd rounder...

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Posted 20 December 2010 - 01:36 PM

Why is mentioning Kiper weak? He's the best draft mind in the business, his word is pretty much good as gold and a ton of NFL personal think so.

:lol:

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Posted 20 December 2010 - 04:01 PM

Only if you pay him to tout your players.

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Posted 21 December 2010 - 11:15 AM

Mayock>Kiper

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Posted 21 December 2010 - 12:17 PM

Why is mentioning Kiper weak? He's the best draft mind in the business, his word is pretty much good as gold and a ton of NFL personal think so.



Yeah after they took "franchise QB" Rogers, next years draft they took QB Brian Brohm in the 2nd round....

So essentially they wasted a 2nd rounder...


Kiper is weak. Best draft mind? Hardly. Mike Mayock ruins him.

Yeah and now GB is one of the best in the NFL when Rodgers isn't sitting out.

#9 rmoneyg35

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Posted 21 December 2010 - 09:09 PM

Is there any DTs that we could get with our 3rd that would be worth getting? In this draft what positions have the most depth and talent?

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Posted 21 December 2010 - 09:17 PM

Why is mentioning Kiper weak? He's the best draft mind in the business, his word is pretty much good as gold and a ton of NFL personal think so.


http://profootballta...-jimmy-clausen/

Earlier today on ESPN, McShay and Kiper were making “bold predictions” for the 2010 draft and, they both focused on Clausen’s status.

Said Kiper, “If Clausen’s not a successful starting quarterback in the NFL, I’m done.”

McShay then said that Clausen will not go in the top 10 picks.

“I’ll take that,” Kiper said. “I’ll take that one right there.”



Jimmy is as competitive as it gets," Kiper said. "His accuracy is outstanding; his arm strength is good. ... To me, there are no questions about his competitiveness and leadership."



http://www.ibj.com/t...RAMS/post/19543

Many were stunned by Clausen's rapid fall from grace. None other than ESPN's Mel Kiper Jr., who has more draft knowledge under his well-oiled hairdo than just about anyone, had Clausen as the No. 4 overall pick going into last night's NFL draft.

Kiper looked almost as forlorn as Clausen. They could probably both use a hug from Andrews.

You could almost read Kiper's mind, saying, "After all these years, how could all these NFL scouts and generl managers doubt me." I couldn't help but think of former Indianapolis Colts general manager Bill Tobin, who once uttered, "Who the h--- is Mel Kiper Jr.?"


Edited by Jangler, 21 December 2010 - 09:24 PM.


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Posted 21 December 2010 - 09:54 PM

Clausen can still pan out fine, but you dont pass on Luck even if he plays consistent over the coming weeks.

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Posted 22 December 2010 - 12:06 AM

http://profootballta...-jimmy-clausen/







http://www.ibj.com/t...RAMS/post/19543


So do you really want to judge a guys entire career off of 1 season?


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