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A.J. Green will enter the 2011 NFL Draft

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[quote name='Smash&DASHGash']the only true Franchise qb on that list is Brady the rest are has beans or haven't won a dang thing.

and brady was dumb luck....[/QUOTE]

hahahaha what

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[quote name='Ohio']Im gonna put this "you cant find a franchise QB later in the draft" BS to an end right now.[/QUOTE]


that's not what anyone's saying

they're saying it's not as easy to find a franchise QB as it is a WR or HB or any position fo that matter.

Tom Brady, Warren Moon and Kurt Warner are the only QBs that have consistently been winners.

Calusen isn't the answer. Luck is the better QB prospect, and passing on him would be ridiculous.

Drafting Green won't help much if Clausen is stil at the helm. He's awful.

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[quote name='Ohio']The rest are has beans? We're dealing with an idiot here folks...

Ok here Im going to prove your an idiot. Dan Marino didnt win anything, so I guess he doesnt count either. Im done dealing with kids. Maybe when you can bring a big boy [SIZE="6"]arguement [/SIZE]I'll respond. Until then, you've proven your ignorance and wont be responded too.[/QUOTE]

More likely an error of the spell checker, before you go calling people idiots you should spell your own words right moron, its spelled argument!

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[quote name='Ohio']Im gonna put this "you cant find a franchise QB later in the draft" BS to an end right now.

Tom Brady- 6th round 199th Pick...

Matt Schaub- 3rd round 90th pick

Tony Romo- UNDRAFTED

Matt Hasselbeck- 6th round 184 pick

Matt Cassell- 7th round 230th pick

And thats just the QB's the QB's who are still playing this year....I could name several more in the past.

You guys do NOT want to see my 1st round QB busts from recent history. Especially QB's from the PAC 10[/QUOTE]

If you want to be objective what you need to look at is the % of QB's that are drafted in late rounds that turns into franchise QB... The % is very low

Then go look at the past 10 or so years and the % of QB drafted in the first round that turns into a franchise QB.... The % is WAYYY higher, not even close.

Yes you can find a gem in the late rounds, though it is very unlikely. You are more likely to get a Franchise QB in the first.

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[quote name='Ohio']Thats where people dont take you seriously. If you believe that Clausen and Luck came out last year, Luck would NOT be the better prospect. If he was soooo great then why did Harbaugh just have him and the ball off every time last year? Obviously because he wasn't as great as you think.

And tell me how many games potential has won. You wont hear any football coaches brag about potential or anything like that. So I can tell you're probably not around football outside the huddle.[/QUOTE]

That's not true either. Can I ask you where you are reading this? I'm obsessed with the draft so I read all the sites and publication regarding the draft. Clausen was only rated high by a few publication/websites and no of them had him rated higher than Bradford. There was a reason he fell to us in the 2nd.

So far In terms of Prospect grades Luck is the highest Graded QB coming out of College since Matt Ryan.... Higher than Bradford, Sanchez, Stafford....Two of whom were the #1 pick overall

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[quote name='theyhateme45']That's not true either. Can I ask you where you are reading this? I'm obsessed with the draft so I read all the sites and publication regarding the draft. Clausen was only rated high by a few publication/websites and no of them had him rated higher than Bradford. There was a reason he fell to us in the 2nd.

So far In terms of Prospect grades Luck is the highest Graded QB coming out of College since Matt Ryan.... Higher than Bradford, Sanchez, Stafford....Two of whom were the #1 pick overall[/QUOTE]

I've posted before about how Clausen was projected a top 10 pick. How could you have missed that? It was all over ESPN how he was being projected to go to the Bills at pick 9.

Heres the question. Say we do take Luck and he has a Jimmy Clausen type rookie season. Should we take another QB the year after? If not, then you're having a double standard.

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[quote name='Ohio']I've posted before about how Clausen was projected a top 10 pick. How could you have missed that? It was all over ESPN how he was being projected to go to the Bills at pick 9.

Heres the question. Say we do take Luck and he has a Jimmy Clausen type rookie season. Should we take another QB the year after? If not, then you're having a double standard.[/QUOTE]

He was projected to go #9 by his number 1 Fan Kiper..... As I said there were a select few who had him projected high.... Some did not have his grade that high, but projected him higher based on team needs.

If...

We draft luck, He stinks it up and shows no promise, no flashes of it.... and we have the #1 pick again and there is a QB I would take a chance if we can...

Only because I know the key to having a great consistent successful team is to have a very good QB.

Now it may not be as possible to draft another QB because of the $$$ we have to pay Luck.... Jimmy is only getting 2nd round $$$ so there is not a lot of salary tied up in him....


Now if you go back months ago you would see I wanted Jimmy or Moore to be good franchise guys.... Why because I want AJ GREEN. If we could have a great QB, AJ Green, then D-Will.... OMG.... But Jimmy just haven't shown any flashes of anything... at all :mad:

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[quote name='theyhateme45']Now if you go back months ago you would see I wanted Jimmy or Moore to be good franchise guys.... Why because I want AJ GREEN. If we could have a great QB, AJ Green, then D-Will.... OMG.... But Jimmy just haven't shown any flashes of anything... at all :mad:[/QUOTE]

This is [i]exactly[/i] how i feel.

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[quote name='Ohio']QB is no good if they dont have noone to catch

WR is priority.[/QUOTE]

Dude what the HELL are you talking about? You really think that Welker makes Brady? You think that Wayne makes Manning? You think that White makes Ryan? If you really think that Steve Smith isn't good enough to make Jimmy Clausen look good then you haven't watched Smith lately. He is still a legitimate #1 threat and I am willing to bet ALOT that the when he goes to a new team (or plays with Andrew Luck) he will go back to having 1000+ yards, 8 TD seasons. QB is THE priority and its the ONLY priority in this draft. If Luck comes out he is the pick.

Jimmy Clausen is Alex Smith with less mobility which is scary bad.

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[quote name='theyhateme45']He was projected to go #9 by his number 1 Fan Kiper..... As I said there were a select few who had him projected high.... Some did not have his grade that high, but projected him higher based on team needs.

If...

We draft luck, He stinks it up and shows no promise, no flashes of it.... and we have the #1 pick again and there is a QB I would take a chance if we can...

Only because I know the key to having a great consistent successful team is to have a very good QB.

Now it may not be as possible to draft another QB because of the $$$ we have to pay Luck.... Jimmy is only getting 2nd round $$$ so there is not a lot of salary tied up in him....


Now if you go back months ago you would see I wanted Jimmy or Moore to be good franchise guys.... Why because I want AJ GREEN. If we could have a great QB, AJ Green, then D-Will.... OMG.... But Jimmy just haven't shown any flashes of anything... at all :mad:[/QUOTE]

So you just want to keep drafting rookie QB's if they have a bad first season?

[quote name='unicar15']Dude what the HELL are you talking about? You really think that Welker makes Brady? You think that Wayne makes Manning? You think that White makes Ryan? If you really think that Steve Smith isn't good enough to make Jimmy Clausen look good then you haven't watched Smith lately. He is still a legitimate #1 threat and I am willing to bet ALOT that the when he goes to a new team (or plays with Andrew Luck) he will go back to having 1000+ yards, 8 TD seasons. QB is THE priority and its the ONLY priority in this draft. If Luck comes out he is the pick.

Jimmy Clausen is Alex Smith with less mobility which is scary bad.[/QUOTE]

This is like shooting fish in a barrell. Tell me who is Matt Ryans go to guy? How has Peyton Manning done this year with a depleted WR's corps, or better yet, how has he done without Dallas Clark. You obviously haven't done your homework. You think all those pick 6's aren't a result of lack of WR's?

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[quote name='Ohio']So you just want to keep drafting rookie QB's if they have a bad first season?


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I don't really care about a bad first season.... It's just a bad first season showing no highlights or flashes of anything good... no progression.... no nothing....

Because you can;t win [B][U]consistently[/U][/B] in the NFL with out very very good QB play... and I want this team to be in a position to compete year in and year out... We have to deal with Ryan, Brees, and up and coming Freeman twice a year.

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I have the solution to Carolina and it seems so easy.......Pick up McNabb as a free agent and Hayensworth from Washington, both Washington is going to let go or don't want. Then draft AJ Green. This will give Jimmy Clausen the necessary time to develop into a quaterback and not throw him in. I think you have the think that when Stewart and Goodson are healthy would be a great double back system and let go of Williams.

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