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Is America the 'best country in the World'?

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I wish I could give a straight answer to this question, but its impossible for me to do so. Simply because I don't know enough about the rest of the world. Our history is so horrendous that if you asked this question to someone in....Canada they would probably laugh. I do however think that there was a time when the answer to this question was a resounding yes (after WW1 and WW2 for example), but now...the answer is very muddled. I do think America is very different from the rest of the world, in good and bad ways though. To be honest, I hope America isn't the best country in the world, and I hope we're not going to be the best country to ever exist on this planet. If thats the case, humanity is pretty much doomed. I think questions like this hold humanity back to be honest. Don't get me wrong, I love my country. Like I said, I think its special in many ways, but in 2010 should we really be comparing countries? It seems kind of trivial in the space age to argue about who has the best country.............

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[quote]Our history is so horrendous that if you asked this question to someone in....Canada they would probably laugh.[/quote]

Good ole public education doing it's job.

Our history is actually fairly tame considering some of the atrocities most other nations have seen.

Care to elaborate how Canada was better than the U.S. historically?
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Bangladesh...hands down.

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Go live around the world then report back on your findings.

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I was just using Canada as an example of another country that might shake their heads at us because of our history. I said I don't know much about the rest of the world..

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[quote name='Not-Awesomeness']I was just using Canada as an example of another country that might shake their heads at us because of our history. I said I don't know much about the rest of the world..[/QUOTE]

I'd suggest spending some time researching this position before drawing any conclusions that our "history" dilutes our "greatness".

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What's important to you.

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[quote name='blackcatgrowl']I'd suggest spending some time researching this position before drawing any conclusions that our "history" dilutes our "greatness".[/QUOTE]

I admit I know jack squat about Germany, but everytime I think about Germany, I think about World War 2 and the Holocaust. I can only suspect people in other countries do the same with us..

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Go to Belgium...they have the flemish (dutch/french), the french, and a german area in one country. You could knock them all out right there.

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[quote name='Not-Awesomeness']I admit I know jack squat about Germany, but everytime I think about Germany, I think about World War 2 and the Holocaust. I can only suspect people in other countries do the same with us..[/QUOTE]

I think that depends on the country and how they teach world history.

Most educational curriculums are controlled by politically motivated governments.

For example Iran - I'm sure their history books and teachers paint a VASTLY different view of the U.S. than British history books and teachers do.

That's why we shouldn't give a flying piss what other countries think of us. It's a safe bet that entire educational and propaganda systems are engineered to promote a policy of hostility towards us if we don't agree with their foreign policy goals.

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No, the US is not the best country in the world.

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we are all exceptional, in our own way.

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Yes America has made mistakes, but we always correct them. Some take longer but they get corrected. If you don't think this is the best country that has ever existed and a large part of your generation doesn't think so? This country will be over and soon after that you will have your answer.
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How is that even measurable?

FTR, I really hate it when people say that sh!t. It goes right along with the people who say "Our CIA are protecting our best interests when they carry out clandestine operations in other countries." It's this arrogance that perpetuates the thought that we can do whatever we want in other countries but hell to pay if anything like that were to happen here.

The best at what? Nobody is the best at everything. If it's at the expense of other people or nations...that's a good thing?!?!?!

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Yes, I think it is the best

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lets poll the millions of people trying to get into this great country.

And yes by God we are the best!

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US=Ric Flair. The straw that still stirs the drink, good or bad.
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Anyone who says the US is the best country, on what criteria are you basing that judgement?

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Having visited many of them, I can tell you its my personal favorite.

The US does have several advantages over most of the rest of the world. The level of personal freedom is better than most of the countries in the world. There are some that are equal but they are relatively few.

If you are willing to work hard, you can usually achieve a very high standard of living in comparison to the rest of the world.

And in large part due to its size and diversity, the US has a great range of cultures, cusine, and landscape. Very few countries have the cultural and enviromental diversity of the US.

Of course, the majority of people prefer the the enviroment or country they grew up in. My filipina wife likes the US, but misses her home country tremendously. I met a man in Bahrain who had lived in the US for a while, but came home because even though he made more money in the US, he preferred life in his home. The things he seemed to dislike the most were the hustle and bustle of life in the US. Of course, I tried to convince him that was more of a New York thing and that in some areas, things were as laid back as they were in his home. But he had only seen New York, so I am not sure if he believed me.

So to the OP's question, there really is no incorrect answer. To me, the US is the best nation on earth. To others, it is not.

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[quote name='Davidson Deac II']If you are willing to work hard, you can usually achieve a very high standard of living in comparison to the rest of the world. [/QUOTE]

I reject this notion.

Working hard doesn't equate success in America. Success is almost universally a product of two things:

1. Networking - Buddy'ing up with people in power often leads to monetary gains. I can't begin to tell you how many people I know that work in high-paying jobs that got there by the virtue of who they knew and/or who they schmoozed.

2. Lack of Ethics - Successful people often find ways of exploiting the rules of a particular system, be it legal, financial, regulatory, organizational, or hell, even personal at times (see evangelism). Show me a rich person, and I'll show you an unsuspecting criminal in some way or another.

Some of the hardest working people I've ever met were some of the poorest. Janitors, garbage workers, cafeteria staff. These people put in some serious toil for little reward.
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Rich = criminal

that's why we need to take their money from them.

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[quote name='blackcatgrowl']I reject this notion.

Working hard doesn't equate success in America. Success is almost universally a product of two things:

1. Networking - Buddy'ing up with people in power often leads to monetary gains. I can't begin to tell you how many people I know that work in high-paying jobs that got there by the virtue of who they knew and/or who they schmoozed.

2. Lack of Ethics - Successful people often find ways of exploiting the rules of a particular system, be it legal, financial, regulatory, organizational, or hell, even personal at times (see evangelism). Show me a rich person, and I'll show you an unsuspecting criminal in some way or another.

Some of the hardest working people I've ever met were some of the poorest. Janitors, garbage workers, cafeteria staff. These people put in some serious toil for little reward.[/QUOTE]

Interesting you equate success with great wealth. I do not. I said successful. Successful means basically a middle class life. A house, a car electricity etc... Things that a large portion of the world outside of the developed countries do not have. Compared to how much of the rest of the world lives, you can have success in America if you are willing to work hard.

Fwiw, I know a woman who has been a cafeteria worker for 30 years now. Her and her husband worked hard, spent wisely and now they are retired with a house thats paid for and three kids that attended some form of college. Garbage men also can make decent money if they stick with it.

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because we don't have the social safety net Europe has, we get the best and brightest and most driven immigrants. thats why they come here.

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[quote name='Davidson Deac II']Interesting you equate success with great wealth. I do not. I said successful. Successful means basically a middle class life. A house, a car electricity etc... Things that a large portion of the world outside of the developed countries do not have. Compared to how much of the rest of the world lives, you can have success in America if you are willing to work hard.[/quote]

I doubt I'm alone in saying that financial independence is a qualifier for "success" in terms of the American way of life.

The other aspects you're talking about, housing, electricity, etc. are pretty much functions of the quality of life we try and maintain in this country, and not really measurements of success.

Here's an example... my mom.

My parents split up and the divorce cost them pretty much everything. They then decided to try and work it out, but shortly afterwards, my Dad died of a heart attack while self-employed. He left her with an almost 6 digit medical bill, so she had to sell the house, and lived with friends for awhile. Eventually my oldest brother started renting a house out to her, and she worked for awhile. The hospital eventually took her to court, and they put a judgement on her for the amount of the remainder of the bill. She's been living in poverty off social security since.

She's not been "successful". But she has housing and basic amenities.

[quote]Fwiw, I know a woman who has been a cafeteria worker for 30 years now. Her and her husband worked hard, spent wisely and now they are retired with a house thats paid for and three kids that attended some form of college. Garbage men also can make decent money if they stick with it.[/QUOTE]

I'd be willing to bet this is more of the exception than the rule for low income families. Hell, our housing market should indicate that.

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[quote name='pstall']US=Ric Flair. The straw that still stirs the drink, good or bad.[/QUOTE]

You've been hanging out on the Gamecocks sidelines haven't you? :D

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[quote name='blackcatgrowl']I doubt I'm alone in saying that financial independence is a qualifier for "success" in terms of the American way of life.

The other aspects you're talking about, housing, electricity, etc. are pretty much functions of the quality of life we try and maintain in this country, and not really measurements of success.

Here's an example... my mom.

My parents split up and the divorce cost them pretty much everything. They then decided to try and work it out, but shortly afterwards, my Dad died of a heart attack while self-employed. He left her with an almost 6 digit medical bill, so she had to sell the house, and lived with friends for awhile. Eventually my oldest brother started renting a house out to her, and she worked for awhile. The hospital eventually took her to court, and they put a judgement on her for the amount of the remainder of the bill. She's been living in poverty off social security since.

She's not been "successful". But she has housing and basic amenities.



I'd be willing to bet this is more of the exception than the rule for low income families. Hell, our housing market should indicate that.[/QUOTE]

In my experience, its generally the rule, not the exception.

My parents also split up when I was young. And by split up, I mean our father abandoned us and took off to live with someone else. We lived in poverty for a while, until my mom married a good man who worked in a factory. Even then, we weren't wealthy, but we were comfortable, especially compared to how we were before.

I joined the Navy when I was older, and when I got out, my military experience got me a job in a bank. Both my sisters went to college. The older one went to college after she got a job. She has a good (not great) job with a natural gas company and her husband repairs factory equipment. They have a very good life. The youngest one had the easiest life and ironically, has struggle the most after college, because she married a guy who is unwilling to work. Hasn't had a job in over a year now, and doesn't even try to get one.

I guess we are all colored by our own experience, but imo those that work hard and make wise decisions (especially in marriage and finance) can be very successful, while the lazy and unwise have it much harder. There are certainly exceptions to that rule, but I believe most of the time it applies.

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