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That's the problem. Minorities aren't on the white man's back. It's the extremist voices of the minorities that are always on the white man's back (Jesse Jackson and co...) which make minorities look like they are always against "whitey".

I literally do not know one person of color that gives two shits about Jesse Jackson and company. Why the left gives those people any time of day is beyond me.

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So, what was your argument? Don't beat around the bush; just grab your ovaries and tell us.

I've told you several times. Children from poor/disadvantaged families statistically perform worse in school. Minorities are disproportionately poor and thus, disadvantaged. School isn't "too hard" when people are given similar advantages. The lack of upward mobility in America means that poor people are generally destined to be poor.

You claim that my argument is that school is too hard for nonwhites, when my argument is that those from advantaged backgrounds achieve more thanks to the system currently in place. This is a misrepresentation. My entire argument is based on a lack of upward mobility for those comprising the lower class. They just happen to be mostly minorities thanks to a few centuries of oppression.

The law isn't necessarily "too harsh" on non-whites. The law is "too harsh" on the disadvantaged. Poor people are generally more likely to commit crime, no one's going to argue against this. It just so happens that minorities are disproportionately poor. I've said several times that America is structurally racist; less "white people are superior so fug minorities" and more "I worked for what I've got so if minorities just happen to be disproportionately poor, that's on them. It's just random chance."

It's precious that you continually try to spin this as "cantrell is racist" but that's a pretty popular tactic amongst conservatives, so I'm used to it by now.

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I literally do not know one person of color that gives two poos about Jesse Jackson and company. Why the left gives those people any time of day is beyond me.

Been wondering the same thing myself.

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I've told you several times. Children from poor/disadvantaged families statistically perform worse in school. Minorities are disproportionately poor and thus, disadvantaged. School isn't "too hard" when people are given similar advantages. The lack of upward mobility in America means that poor people are generally destined to be poor.

You claim that my argument is that school is too hard for nonwhites, when my argument is that those from advantaged backgrounds achieve more thanks to the system currently in place. This is a misrepresentation. My entire argument is based on a lack of upward mobility for those comprising the lower class. They just happen to be mostly minorities thanks to a few centuries of oppression.

The law isn't necessarily "too harsh" on non-whites. The law is "too harsh" on the disadvantaged. Poor people are generally more likely to commit crime, no one's going to argue against this. It just so happens that minorities are disproportionately poor. I've said several times that America is structurally racist; less "white people are superior so fug minorities" and more "I worked for what I've got so if minorities just happen to be disproportionately poor, that's on them. It's just random chance."

It's precious that you continually try to spin this as "cantrell is racist" but that's a pretty popular tactic amongst conservatives, so I'm used to it by now.

Oh now, we're just dumb. Stop making excuses for us you're living in a politically correct shell. The South will rise again!

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I literally do not know one person of color that gives two poos about Jesse Jackson and company. Why the left gives those people any time of day is beyond me.

My point exactly. Why the black community doesn't rise up and kick this guy's @$$ is beyond me. Sharpton is ignorant as well when it comes to a lot of racial subjects, but he does have a bit of common sense from time to time. I'm not saying put a bunch of Uncle Tom's in power, but Jesus, someone speak out on Jackson and his type already.

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I've told you several times. Children from poor/disadvantaged families statistically perform worse in school. Minorities are disproportionately poor and thus, disadvantaged. School isn't "too hard" when people are given similar advantages. The lack of upward mobility in America means that poor people are generally destined to be poor.

You claim that my argument is that school is too hard for nonwhites, when my argument is that those from advantaged backgrounds achieve more thanks to the system currently in place. This is a misrepresentation. My entire argument is based on a lack of upward mobility for those comprising the lower class. They just happen to be mostly minorities thanks to a few centuries of oppression.

The law isn't necessarily "too harsh" on non-whites. The law is "too harsh" on the disadvantaged. Poor people are generally more likely to commit crime, no one's going to argue against this. It just so happens that minorities are disproportionately poor. I've said several times that America is structurally racist; less "white people are superior so fug minorities" and more "I worked for what I've got so if minorities just happen to be disproportionately poor, that's on them. It's just random chance."

It's precious that you continually try to spin this as "cantrell is racist" but that's a pretty popular tactic amongst conservatives, so I'm used to it by now.

I agree with you here and I think more than most in the Tinderbox do as well. Where a lot start to differ is on the solution to the problem.

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My point exactly. Why the black community doesn't rise up and kick this guy's @$$ is beyond me. Sharpton is ignorant as well when it comes to a lot of racial subjects, but he does have a bit of common sense from time to time. I'm not saying put a bunch of Uncle Tom's in power, but Jesus, someone speak out on Jackson and his type already.

These people have done more harm to race relations in this country than the fuging KKK. I remember when Micheal Jackson died, this fool is on TV bitching about how everyone was talking about how he fuged kids, and they did it because he was black. I'm sitting there thinking, I've heard maybe 2,3 people bring this up. Everyone else is paying tribute. He has hijacked the title of "leader of black people" and is a fake ass MLK imo I don't mind differing opinions, but when the first thing out of your mouth is ALWAYS "white, black, race, and/or racist you need to go away.

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I agree with you here and I think more than most in the Tinderbox do as well. Where a lot start to differ is on the solution to the problem.

You have to give minority kids some self worth. Teach them about their historys at early ages. I don't know poo about Hispanic culture, but I literally had to find out everything I know about African history. It helped me form my ambitions to know that black people have done great things outside of America, and continue to do it today. Not every country in Africa is a shithole, and many have made great strides since gaining their Independence. Teach the kids that. Teach them that they can do anything they want to do if you put your mind to it, and show them examples of how that statement isn't bullshit, but its true, and put faces on it. I don't give a poo if people would call this racist. Teach white kids about their history, teach Hispanics about theirs, teach blacks about theirs, tell them to respect each others cultures and historys and I bet my left nut sack graduation rates would go up along with test scores.

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I've told you several times. Children from poor/disadvantaged families statistically perform worse in school. Minorities are disproportionately poor and thus, disadvantaged. School isn't "too hard" when people are given similar advantages. The lack of upward mobility in America means that poor people are generally destined to be poor.

You claim that my argument is that school is too hard for nonwhites, when my argument is that those from advantaged backgrounds achieve more thanks to the system currently in place. This is a misrepresentation. My entire argument is based on a lack of upward mobility for those comprising the lower class. They just happen to be mostly minorities thanks to a few centuries of oppression.

The law isn't necessarily "too harsh" on non-whites. The law is "too harsh" on the disadvantaged. Poor people are generally more likely to commit crime, no one's going to argue against this. It just so happens that minorities are disproportionately poor. I've said several times that America is structurally racist; less "white people are superior so fug minorities" and more "I worked for what I've got so if minorities just happen to be disproportionately poor, that's on them. It's just random chance."

It's precious that you continually try to spin this as "cantrell is racist" but that's a pretty popular tactic amongst conservatives, so I'm used to it by now.

That's not how you put things in the "Tea Party isn't racist" thread a while back. That's why I called you out on it.

But again, the biggest problem isn't that they're poor. The biggest problem is that they don't care. Whether they don't care because they're poor or they're poor because they don't care is up for debate, but you'll see that at the root cause. You'll see white, errr... "advantaged" kids who don't care. And they do equally bad. You'll see "disadvantaged" kids who do care and do exceptionally well.

The "centuries of oppression" excuse expired long ago. Yeah, that's the reason more black kids can use a music mixer to make rap songs than can do a geometric proof.

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You have to give minority kids some self worth. Teach them about their historys at early ages. I don't know poo about Hispanic culture, but I literally had to find out everything I know about African history. It helped me form my ambitions to know that black people have done great things outside of America, and continue to do it today. Not every country in Africa is a poohole, and many have made great strides since gaining their Independence. Teach the kids that. Teach them that they can do anything they want to do if you put your mind to it, and show them examples of how that statement isn't bullpoo, but its true, and put faces on it. I don't give a poo if people would call this racist. Teach white kids about their history, teach Hispanics about theirs, teach blacks about theirs, tell them to respect each others cultures and historys and I bet my left nut sack graduation rates would go up along with test scores.

Wait you have a left nut sack? I'm jealous.

Everything else in your post is true.

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That's not how you put things in the "Tea Party isn't racist" thread a while back. That's why I called you out on it.

But again, the biggest problem isn't that they're poor. The biggest problem is that they don't care. Whether they don't care because they're poor or they're poor because they don't care is up for debate, but you'll see that at the root cause. You'll see white, errr... "advantaged" kids who don't care. And they do equally bad. You'll see "disadvantaged" kids who do care and do exceptionally well.

The "centuries of oppression" excuse expired long ago. Yeah, that's the reason more black kids can use a music mixer to make rap songs than can do a geometric proof.

And they don't care because they have no self worth. I honestly have no clue why poor white kids don't care...maybe someone could enlighten me here.

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That's not how you put things in the "Tea Party isn't racist" thread a while back. That's why I called you out on it.

But again, the biggest problem isn't that they're poor. The biggest problem is that they don't care. Whether they don't care because they're poor or they're poor because they don't care is up for debate, but you'll see that at the root cause. You'll see white, errr... "advantaged" kids who don't care. And they do equally bad. You'll see "disadvantaged" kids who do care and do exceptionally well.

There's still overt racism, which could explain the income gap between equally qualified whites and blacks, among other things. But regarding the school system and the legal system, I believe it's more of a class thing than a race thing.

The "centuries of oppression" excuse expired long ago. Yeah, that's the reason more black kids can use a music mixer to make rap songs than can do a geometric proof.

The centuries of oppression "excuse" won't "expire" until those who are confined to the lower classes thanks to said oppression are extended equal opportunity to succeed.

Also, lol @ your apparent contempt for rap music. Who didn't see that one coming?

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