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Yeah, its called working for different companies. A city manager in California was making over 800,000. The president makes $400,000. That's gotta be due to racism. /cantrell logic

So you're really going with the "random chance" angle? It just so happens that black people work for companies that pay less? k

And by making everything equal, you mean you have to pay out the wahoo to get anything done. Think about the dozens of inspectors that big nanny requires you to have (at your own expense) just to build a building. Carnegie and Ford didn't start out millionaires. In today's world, they never could have gotten started. All for the sake of "equal footing" Give me a break. The same people taking away opportunities are the same people complaining about the lack of opportunities.

Is that what I mean? Or is that what you say I mean, again?

Again?

Well you obviously didn't process it the first few times I posted it.

And so, what are you suggesting? Paying CEOs less will make unskilled workers richer?

No. I'm suggesting that a person's worth, work ethic, and qualifications isn't reflected in their pay. But hey, let's keep funneling money into the upper class. That'll fix things.

And are you going to answer my question? Why can more black kids run a music mixer program than can do a geometric proof?

Can you cite a source for that?

Am I wrong, sis?

I don't know. Sounds like something you just pulled out of your ass. You tell me.

sweet stereotype, sis.

Yeah I was very advantaged - I may have seen my parents sober for a total of an hour my entire life. I was so spoiled that I got apples, bananas and clothes hangers on more than one Christmas. My mother never finished 8th grade and my father was too high to realize he had kids.

If only everyone had it as good as me......

If this is true, your parents must have slapped you around too, because a traumatic brain injury is the only thing I could think of that would lead to such conservative beliefs coming from that background. Maybe FAS.

Also, sweet anecdotal evidence. The statistics bear out that there is little upward mobility, so this doesn't really change anything, whether you're aware of the plight of the poor or not.

lol at you missing another point. seriously

Once I saw that you had listened to Nas, I wasn't really interested in any points.

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Hey chuck, we get it, you're lolbertarian. Also 9/11 was an inside job. Also, chemtrails. RONPAUL. Now if you don't have anything else to add, I don't see why you're wasting your time in this thread.

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Cantrell, you and I agree on race issues.

But 911, chemtrails, and Ron Paul you are severely lost on.

:)

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Cantrell, you and I agree on race issues.

But 911, chemtrails, and Ron Paul you are severely lost on.

:)

I don't know how I should feel about that.

For real though, it's cool. At least you posted what you believe in this thread, rather than post yet another macro like your buddy chucktownk.

Also:

This message is hidden because ChucktownK is literally retarded. No time for that poo.

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So you're really going with the "random chance" angle? It just so happens that black people work for companies that pay less? k

Sure. Companies that pay well tend to have lower turnover. If that is the lack of opportunities you're talking about, then I guess you win.

Is that what I mean? Or is that what you say I mean, again?

lol @ u, of all people, saying this. you're the master at putting words into mouths.

Well you obviously didn't process it the first few times I posted it.

Its as untrue now as it was then.

No. I'm suggesting that a person's worth, work ethic, and qualifications isn't reflected in their pay. But hey, let's keep funneling money into the upper class. That'll fix things.

I could've told you that without all the drama. Its what you know and who you know, not what you do. What does it have to do with race?

Can you cite a source for that?

Can't cite common sense for dullards.

I don't know. Sounds like something you just pulled out of your ass. You tell me.

Of course I pulled it out of my ass. I also know it to be true. You also know it to be true but, as much as you want to stereotype me, you're afraid to stereotype blacks. Sounds like a serious case of cowardice to me.

If this is true, your parents must have slapped you around too, because a traumatic brain injury is the only thing I could think of that would lead to such conservative beliefs coming from that background. Maybe FAS.

Wasn't FAS as my mother didn't start drinking until I was about 6 or so.

You know, that's my back ground, but I've never bitched about it once or blamed anyone for how my life turned out.

Too bad the Liberal agenda is to give dollar after dollar to your so-called victims to ensure that they never, ever try to escape from similar situations.

Also, sweet anecdotal evidence. The statistics bear out that there is little upward mobility, so this doesn't really change anything, whether you're aware of the plight of the poor or not.

Phuq your anecdotal evidence BS. This isn't a courtroom. You wanted to go Sigmund Freud on me, so I just let you know that you're wrong as usual.

Once I saw that you had listened to Nas, I wasn't really interested in any points.

So now you're playing elitist? lol @ you becoming more stereotypical of the left every second.

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Sure. Companies that pay well tend to have lower turnover. If that is the lack of opportunities you're talking about, then I guess you win.

So black people should be grateful that, on average, they make less than white people? Ladies and gentleman, this is conservative America. Whether there is higher turnover or not, on average, white people make more in their lifetimes than black people, even when qualifications are equal.

lol @ u, of all people, saying this. you're the master at putting words into mouths.

Even if that were true, you only look like an ass when you continually bitch about it, then do it yourself.

Its as untrue now as it was then.

Do explain.

I could've told you that without all the drama. Its what you know and who you know, not what you do. What does it have to do with race?

Actually, no, it's not. And what does this have to do with race? Black people are disadvantaged, and you fuging lose your poo every time you hear that. And I love it.

Can't cite common sense for dullards.

So you CAN'T cite it? k

Of course I pulled it out of my ass. I also know it to be true. You also know it to be true but, as much as you want to stereotype me, you're afraid to stereotype blacks. Sounds like a serious case of cowardice to me.

You KNOW it to be true? That might explain several of your positions. You can't really cite something to back it up, but that sure as hell doesn't stop you from believing it. You know, based on nothing.

Wasn't FAS as my mother didn't start drinking until I was about 6 or so.

You know, that's my back ground, but I've never bitched about it once or blamed anyone for how my life turned out.

Too bad the Liberal agenda is to give dollar after dollar to your so-called victims to ensure that they never, ever try to escape from similar situations.

"I was lucky enough to end up middle class, though I was never destitute to begin with. Because of this, I think I pulled myself up by my bootstraps and anyone else should actually be able to pull themselves up by theirs."

Also, the "Liberal agenda" isn't about giving "dollar after dollar" to "so-called victims". It's about providing quality educational opportunities and quality work opportunities to those who traditionally aren't granted such advantages.

Phuq your anecdotal evidence BS. This isn't a courtroom. You wanted to go Sigmund Freud on me, so I just let you know that you're wrong as usual.

Sorry for responding to your misguided opinions with the request for greater evidence than your little sob story.

So now you're playing elitist? lol @ you becoming more stereotypical of the left every second.

Hey, if that's what you want to call it. Yes, it's pretty hilarious to think that you listen to Nas. I apologize.

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Who listens to Nas anyway? ha!

And really, why can't the blacks just be happy with what they've got? I mean, poo, it's not like they were held down or made slaves or systematically ruined or had crack pushed in the ghettos by the Al-CIA-duh.....

oh wait,

nevermind.

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So black people should be grateful that, on average, they make less than white people? Ladies and gentleman, this is conservative America. Whether there is higher turnover or not, on average, white people make more in their lifetimes than black people, even when qualifications are equal.

That isn't anything remotely like what I said. You prove your stupidity with every post.

Even if that were true, you only look like an ass when you continually bitch about it, then do it yourself.

Yeah, its pretty annoying, isn't it? Wait til later in this reply...

Do explain.

Its a cartoon. Not reality. Repeatedly posting it doesn't make it true. I know the media teaches otherwise, but no. Never.

Actually, no, it's not. And what does this have to do with race? Black people are disadvantaged, and you fuging lose your poo every time you hear that. And I love it.

You must be too young to work if you think you are paid by what you do. A good resume can only get you an interview. A good network can get you a job.

So you CAN'T cite it? k

Look at you, too cowardly to say "because rap is more interesting than geometry." Are you scared that some black dude is gonna knock you out for telling the truth? Is it really that hard to accept as fact that rap is more interesting to blacks than geometry? Look, rap is more interesting than geometry to every kid in America.

I can't believe you're that scared. I bet you run across the street when you see a black person on the same sidewalk as you. I bet your only black friends are your friends because you cower to their every demand. I bet you even try to talk with urban slang.

You KNOW it to be true? That might explain several of your positions. You can't really cite something to back it up, but that sure as hell doesn't stop you from believing it. You know, based on nothing.

Show me any kid who likes geometry more than rap, or any music for that matter. Seriously, grow a set of ovaries.

"I was lucky enough to end up middle class, though I was never destitute to begin with. Because of this, I think I pulled myself up by my bootstraps and anyone else should actually be able to pull themselves up by theirs."

So, do you care to reply to what I actually said?

Also, the "Liberal agenda" isn't about giving "dollar after dollar" to "so-called victims". It's about providing quality educational opportunities and quality work opportunities to those who traditionally aren't granted such advantages.

I can't begin to describe your level of credulity. It is to garantee the elites never have to deal with common folk.

Sorry for responding to your misguided opinions with the request for greater evidence than your little sob story.

What do you want, a time machine to go back and watch me grow up? You're one creepy little lady.

Hey, if that's what you want to call it. Yes, it's pretty hilarious to think that you listen to Nas. I apologize.

Present tense? So, early Nas is current? "If I Ruled the World" was 1996, not 2011.

Sorry, Mr. Elite. I's will go back to my holler and wait for my checks in the mail, suh.

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blame this, blame that, feel sorry for yourself, its all good. Funny how everyone has gripes and no solutions. Anyone can do something with their life if they want to, if you want to blame someone go call your stupid parents who didnt teach you any life skills.

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That isn't anything remotely like what I said. You prove your stupidity with every post.

So you weren't suggesting that black people weren't disadvantaged because, while they get paid thousands less than white people on average, they're less likely to be fired? Also, [citation needed] for that one. You should have shown me that black people are less likely to be fired, since we've already established that they're more likely to be paid less. That might have been more effective.

Its a cartoon. Not reality. Repeatedly posting it doesn't make it true. I know the media teaches otherwise, but no. Never.

Yeah, you think white people haven't enjoyed an advantage over black people. You also think that wealth in America wasn't initially accumulated on the backs of slaves, resulting in a significant economic divide between whites and the former slave class. We get it. You think there is significant upward mobility in America. You think that once the CRA passed, black people were, and have been, treated equally. You're wrong, but at least you're willing to put it out there.

You must be too young to work if you think you are paid by what you do. A good resume can only get you an interview. A good network can get you a job.

Oh, so black people make significantly less than white people because they're not a part of the "good ol' boys" network? I could see that.

Look at you, too cowardly to say "because rap is more interesting than geometry." Are you scared that some black dude is gonna knock you out for telling the truth? Is it really that hard to accept as fact that rap is more interesting to blacks than geometry? Look, rap is more interesting than geometry to every kid in America.

I can't believe you're that scared. I bet you run across the street when you see a black person on the same sidewalk as you. I bet your only black friends are your friends because you cower to their every demand. I bet you even try to talk with urban slang.

lol

You're trying pretty hard to make it appear as though you didn't stereotype an entire race just a few posts ago. Considering that the greatest mainstream rapper alive is white, I don't understand why you chose to make it a specific race issue. And before you try to pull a "gotcha" moment, as if I've argued that blacks are the only ones that are the victims here, I'll repeat my position. Poor people are disadvantaged. Black people are disproportionately poor. My argument all along is that, generally, black people are disadvantaged. You lose your poo every time you hear that. To you, it isn't "poor people are poor because of culture"; it's "black people are poor because of culture. That's why black people would rather work a mixer than do geometry derpderp." No, black people are disproportionately poor because of limited mobility with a side of overt racism. While poor whites and blacks are both victims of "classism", at least poor whites aren't victimized through overt racism in the same way that blacks are. When a white person succeeds in school, he is likely to make more money than an equally successful (and qualified) black person.

Show me any kid who likes geometry more than rap, or any music for that matter. Seriously, grow a set of ovaries.

Then how is this, in any way, related to the debate? How could you even attempt to use it as evidence for your position? If it's constant across the board, it is entirely unrelated to the significant achievement and income gaps. Thank you for your worthless "point".

Also, sweet sexism bro. Again, ladies and gentlemen, the American conservative.

So, do you care to reply to what I actually said?

Do I care to reply to any anecdotal evidence? No, not really.

I can't begin to describe your level of credulity. It is to garantee the elites never have to deal with common folk.

Are you confusing your weird view of Democrats with "liberals" again? Ignoring this whole grand conspiracy you're concocting here, let me just tell you, again, that Democrats aren't "liberals" and when you refer to some sort of "liberal agenda", I assume you're talking about people left-of-center.

And no, welfare isn't given to insure a lower class. I could see where you'd think that, though. I bet you believe that there are plenty of "welfare queens" out there too, don't you? Lazy people who abuse the system, right? Taking "your" money which you earned all on your own, paid based solely on merit. Well, surely you don't believe that, because you said yourself that people aren't paid what they're worth. The cognitive dissonance must be staggering. "People aren't paid what they're worth, but the lower class should stop being lazy and make what they're worth. While we've established that the elites will take advantage of all of those below them, to the best of their ability, the onus is on the lower class to pull themselves up by their bootstraps. It just wouldn't be FAIR to provide for the lower class, even though the current system caters to the elite."

What do you want, a time machine to go back and watch me grow up? You're one creepy little lady.

No, I'd just appreciate it if you wouldn't try to use anecdotal evidence to support your already flimsy argument. Oh, wait, "this isn't a courtroom", so apparently I should just buy the bullpoo you're selling because you said so. I mean, if you can't back anything up with factual information, I don't really see why you would expect me to buy it. That being said, I haven't changed one mind here when providing statistics that support my argument, in the face of nothing but anecdotes and sexist "jokes", so I don't really know why I bother; Especially considering that, while America has lurched to the right, it will never approach your ideal. The lower classes will revolt long before that happens. I've wasted enough of my time arguing with a throw-away vote who thinks anecdotes and name-calling are enough.

Present tense? So, early Nas is current? "If I Ruled the World" was 1996, not 2011.

Sorry, Mr. Elite. I's will go back to my holler and wait for my checks in the mail, suh.

It's not about elitism. It's about not understanding what you're listening to. You were listening to Nas, a guy who'd drop your cracker ass the moment you told him that black people simply choose to be poor, and that black people aren't the victims of a history of oppression.

I have no desire to continue this. We have argued this in several topics and it always ends the same way (this isn't a courtroom! you know it's true, you just won't admit it! you're the true racist!). I mean, seriously, go point-by-point again. Declare yourself the e-victor. You, and those that stood on the sidelines and got aroused by your pseudo-racist garbage, will never change your minds regardless of how I would respond. I'm still going to say that black people are disadvantaged in America, whenever the time calls for it, for as long as the statistics support it. Just try not to get so butt-hurt over it next time because I've done all I can, time and time again, to explain it to you. You can't, or won't, understand it. I'm flattered that you would go through the trouble of ham-fisting a name-drop of Nas and Naughty By Nature, but it didn't really do much for your argument. Good effort though.

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