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I hear ya. and I understand what is going on with the design of the play.. my point is if anyone thinks he went through any reads, I must be seeing something different, because regardless of play design he didn't have his eyes up to make any reads other than to his TE.. which is kind of a knock on Cam, granted he had to roll out, but if not, he needs to keep his eyes up and feel the pressure..

the play itself has the same strategy behind it as the Charlie Whitehurst play..

I'm not really sure the point of this thread, unless it was to show that Cam's offensive plays are to simplify his reads on offense..

I don't think it's a great example because this play in particular will only ever have one true read... the receiver on the left likely won't be open.. the receiver on the right is a good option if he is tall and has done well on jump balls in the endzone, but that read is made pre-snap..

Edit: the guy on the right is 1 on 1.. if he is a good route running, he is wide open all day over there.. but looking at the replay he never even goes into a route, it's a slow fade and only decoy..

pretty much.. and a fine example of what Davidson and Fox never did throughout the season to help Clausen.. (designing QB friendly plays for a ROOOOOOOOKIE QB)

Agree with all points.

The second read comes when the pressure does. His blocker gets blown up as he sets to throw to the middle (the more I watch it, the more I think that the play is supposed to go there) and he has to adjust, which he does so in such a way to throw to his final option to the left.

There's also a wide open hole for him to run through if the TE hasn't beaten his man, also to the left after coverage has been drawn away and just in time for him to already be looking that way.

Really, the play is more an indication of a coach knowing his QB's strengths than anything else.

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They were both 1st read. Gus Malzahn likes using the throwback pass in his offense.

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Again you confuse the point of the play with the read progression. If the receiver going left to right is open and newton looks to see if he is (first read) then he will throw the ball. On most plays though the safety will cover the deep receiver. By Newton running right the linebackers will flow right and the TE will sneak out and go against the grain. He is the receiver who is going to be open if things work like they should but he is the second read in the play. If the safety doesn't cover the deep receiver going left to right of course Newton will throw him the ball but you don't expect an obvious blown coverage. So the likely receiver is the TE but he is the second read given the progression of the play.

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I hear ya. and I understand what is going on with the design of the play.. my point is if anyone thinks he went through any reads, I must be seeing something different, because regardless of play design he didn't have his eyes up to make any reads other than to his TE.. which is kind of a knock on Cam, granted he had to roll out, but if not, he needs to keep his eyes up and feel the pressure..

the play itself has the same strategy behind it as the Charlie Whitehurst play..

I'm not really sure the point of this thread, unless it was to show that Cam's offensive plays are to simplify his reads on offense..

I don't think it's a great example because this play in particular will only ever have one true read... the receiver on the left likely won't be open.. the receiver on the right is a good option if he is tall and has done well on jump balls in the endzone, but that read is made pre-snap..

Edit: the guy on the right is 1 on 1.. if he is a good route running, he is wide open all day over there.. but looking at the replay he never even goes into a route, it's a slow fade and only decoy..

Also, the receiver at the bottom isn't an option at all because if you are throwing a fade AT ALL, you aren't using play action. That automatically takes him out of the play now it's down to two receivers.

The top receiver is running a drag into coverage and almost sets a pick for the TE. I just don't see how it could be any other way.

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which receiver are we talking about gets the 1st read? certainly not the one on the right... must be the guy on the left?

if so, I guess we can consider that a read, but to me, pre-snap tells you he is covered.. and most likely, it is widely known the object of that receiver is to pull coverage..

my 1st read would be the guy on the right who is 1 on 1 and on a deserted island.. lol but he just runs a decoy fade route.. which must have been the design, so it was known that wasn't a real read...

I guess I'm tripping up on what we are considering a read, because the only real read (to me) is the TE and perhaps Cam should have pump faked (to the guy on the right)

Also, the receiver at the bottom isn't an option at all because if you are throwing a fade AT ALL, you aren't using play action. That automatically takes him out of the play now it's down to two receivers.

The top receiver is running a drag into coverage and almost sets a pick for the TE. I just don't see how it could be any other way.

written above might already answer my questions to this..

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While he might not have been the first read in Cam's progression, the TE was definitely who the play was designed for. Still a bit confused on what the OP means, but the play was no question for the TE. Cam knew that the design of the play would allow the TE to be open on the backside.

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which receiver are we talking about gets the 1st read? certainly not the one on the right... must be the guy on the left?

if so, I guess we can consider that a read, but to me, pre-snap tells you he is covered.. and most likely, it is widely known the object of that receiver is to pull coverage..

my 1st read would be the guy on the right who is 1 on 1 and on a deserted island.. lol but he just runs a decoy fade route.. which must have been the design, so it was known that wasn't a real read...

I guess I'm tripping up on what we are considering a read, because the only real read (to me) is the TE and perhaps Cam should have pump faked.. (and to the guy on the right)

This is one of the points of the thread. I wanted to see how many people really understood play design and such. This play was designed for the TE and TE only. By design, you eliminate the other two receivers as an option. His only choices are TE or Run

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This is one of the points of the thread. I wanted to see how many people really understood play design and such. This play was designed for the TE and TE only. By design, you eliminate the other two receivers as an option. His only choices are TE or Run

I guess that's the point I'm making.. the decoy fade route isn't a read and I don't see how a receiver triple covered on the left is a legitimate read because his only purpose is to pull coverage, which is why the TE doesn't release from the line right away..

Side note: I've tried to spell legitimate a few times and need spell check every time.. holla!

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I guess that's the point I'm making.. the decoy fade route isn't a read and I don't see how a receiver triple covered on the left is a legitimate read because his only purpose is to pull coverage, which is why the TE doesn't release from the line right away..

Side note: I've tried to spell legitimate a few times and need spell check every time.. holla!

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I'm just curious... what is the significance of this?

Because the last one was a false prophet, but this one is the real deal.

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Again you confuse the point of the play with the read progression. If the receiver going left to right is open and newton looks to see if he is (first read) then he will throw the ball. On most plays though the safety will cover the deep receiver. By Newton running right the linebackers will flow right and the TE will sneak out and go against the grain. He is the receiver who is going to be open if things work like they should but he is the second read in the play. If the safety doesn't cover the deep receiver going left to right of course Newton will throw him the ball but you don't expect an obvious blown coverage. So the likely receiver is the TE but he is the second read given the progression of the play.

I think I see the point you're making.. aside from the goal of the play, you still have a progression...

I guess I'm looking at it differently by assuming the guy on the left will always be covered, since he needs to pull coverage for the TE to be open, which has to be the case with the LBers in the middle and able to swallow up the TE.. (and they appear to be in a zone so that receiver is covered anyhow)

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the play was what is was. i am not sure if it was his first read or not, but the fact is in that game he ran the ball 22 times, can't do that in the NFL and expect to play all season long, those 22 runs will have to be cut to below 10.

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I'm just curious... what is the significance of this?

to talk about actual football and gain real football knowledge rather than the drama that exists day to day with the ESPNs of the world and 98% of what you find in this forum..

This is one reason I love NFL Network.. Playbook is one of my favorite shows when I get to see Mike Mayock enlighten me with how the game is played.. has to be one of my favorite people to listen to.

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