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Posted 07 January 2011 - 08:23 PM

Once he avoided the pressure he immediately set up to throw to the tight end, even before he looked. That suggests to me that the tight end was his first option.

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Posted 07 January 2011 - 08:25 PM

The TE is the eventual target of the play, but is the third option in the progression of the play for a successful completion.

Look, I know watching the Panthers the last few years could teach you other wise, but plays can be designed with more than one outcome in mind.


I would say this is more accurate than what I said. It seems the play was designed for the tight end, but it was possible for the other options to be open.

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Posted 07 January 2011 - 08:27 PM

Once he avoided the pressure he immediately set up to throw to the tight end, even before he looked. That suggests to me that the tight end was his first option.


I saw the same thing

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Posted 07 January 2011 - 08:35 PM

I'm not sure how you all figure there were several reads on the play when his head was down more than it was up..


edit: he hikes the ball and his eyes go straight to the DE who makes a good push to mess up the roll to the right.. he looks to the field for a second, then goes back to looking at the DE.. then snaps his head up and throws it to the TE..

what am I not seeing that you all are?

Edited by bleys, 07 January 2011 - 08:39 PM.


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Posted 07 January 2011 - 08:43 PM

Some of you are confusing the object of the play which is to throw to the TE going against the grain with a read progression. For example if the receiver going across the middle is open (which occurs first) then of course Newton will throw him the ball. So that is the first read. The tight end going against the grain is the receiver most likely to be open and the reason you send the action to the right but given the time it takes to set up the play will be the second read. If it were the first and only read, he would have pumped fake to sell the receiver going left to right before coming back left.

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Posted 07 January 2011 - 08:46 PM

Some of you are confusing the object of the play which is to throw to the TE going against the grain with a read progression. For example if the receiver going across the middle is open (which occurs first) then of course Newton will throw him the ball. So that is the first read. The tight end going against the grain is the receiver most likely to be open and the reason you send the action to the right but given the time it takes to set up the play will be the second read. If it were the first and only read, he would have pumped fake to sell the receiver going left to right before coming back left.


logically, that would be the progression.. I don't see how he has time to make any reads with his eyes down on the DE more than on his receivers.. what I see is (what I explained on the previous page) ending with.. he finally looks up to his TE and makes the throw..

Edited by bleys, 07 January 2011 - 08:49 PM.


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Posted 07 January 2011 - 08:47 PM

I voted 1st & 1st! I think Cam just did a better job of selling it!

Edited by Tarheels23, 07 January 2011 - 08:50 PM.


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Posted 07 January 2011 - 08:48 PM

I'm not sure how you all figure there were several reads on the play when his head was down more than it was up..


edit: he hikes the ball and his eyes go straight to the DE who makes a good push to mess up the roll to the right.. he looks to the field for a second, then goes back to looking at the DE.. then snaps his head up and throws it to the TE..

what am I not seeing that you all are?


The play is designed to encourage pressure from the right (TE giving up the block) and to also draw coverage to the right (recievers moving to that side of the field). So his head is going to be turned to the right by design until he comits to the TE at the end of the play.

Again, I think this play has more to do with a coach recognizing his players inability to fake out a defense than anything else. But the other options are there if the defense doesn't bite on something.

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Posted 07 January 2011 - 08:56 PM





Jimmy Clausen to King 16-yard Touchdown

Isn't this the Pro Style version of the same play?

Edited by Tarheels23, 07 January 2011 - 08:58 PM.


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Posted 07 January 2011 - 08:59 PM

The play is designed to encourage pressure from the right (TE giving up the block) and to also draw coverage to the right (recievers moving to that side of the field). So his head is going to be turned to the right by design until he comits to the TE at the end of the play.

Again, I think this play has more to do with a coach recognizing his players inability to fake out a defense than anything else. But the other options are there if the defense doesn't bite on something.


I hear ya. and I understand what is going on with the design of the play.. my point is if anyone thinks he went through any reads, I must be seeing something different, because regardless of play design he didn't have his eyes up to make any reads other than to his TE.. which is kind of a knock on Cam, granted he had to roll out, but if not, he needs to keep his eyes up and feel the pressure..

the play itself has the same strategy behind it as the Charlie Whitehurst play..

I'm not really sure the point of this thread, unless it was to show that Cam's offensive plays are to simplify his reads on offense..

I don't think it's a great example because this play in particular will only ever have one true read... the receiver on the left likely won't be open.. the receiver on the right is a good option if he is tall and has done well on jump balls in the endzone, but that read is made pre-snap..

Edit: the guy on the right is 1 on 1.. if he is a good route running, he is wide open all day over there.. but looking at the replay he never even goes into a route, it's a slow fade and only decoy..






Jimmy Clausen to King 16-yard Touchdown

Isn't this the Pro Style version of the same play?


pretty much.. and a fine example of what Davidson and Fox never did throughout the season to help Clausen.. (designing QB friendly plays for a ROOOOOOOOKIE QB)

Edited by bleys, 07 January 2011 - 09:07 PM.


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Posted 07 January 2011 - 09:01 PM

logically, that would be the progression.. I don't see how he has time to make any reads with his eyes down on the DE more than on his receivers.. what I see is (what I explained on the previous page) ending with.. he finally looks up to his TE and makes the throw..


Don't agree. He looks at the receiver for a moment, sees he is covered, looks at the blocking to buy time for his next read which is the TE and then throws across the field. He has to look at the receiver to sell the action to the safety who is watching his eyes. As I said, if he was only going to the TE he should have pumped fake to the receiver as well. As for looking at the DE, of course he is because the defense is sending pressure. He needs to avoid a sack while he waits for his next receiver to clear which is his 2nd read.

Edited by panthers55, 07 January 2011 - 09:05 PM.


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Posted 07 January 2011 - 09:08 PM

They were both 1st read. Gus Malzahn likes using the throwback pass in his offense.

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