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#31 Stumpy

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Posted 10 January 2011 - 05:27 AM

For the record, I don't think we should go after him, or that Philly even would trade him. Just that everyone seems to think that nothing could be worth trading our pick and that whoever goes #1 this year will be a first ballot hall of famer. When in reality we will be lucky if they go to a pro bowl once.

#32 BBQ&Beer

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Posted 10 January 2011 - 05:34 AM

It seems as though most Huddlers' perceived value of the number 1 pick is grossly inflated. #1 pick are rarely HOFers, they are also rarely even perennial Pro Bowlers. Many may go on to be career starters, however, most end up being solid role players. Without even mentioning the dreaded busts. Look at the most recent #1 picks. (excluding the last two as it is said it takes 3yrs to develop most players)

2008 - Jake Long - 3 pro bowls*
2007 - Jawalrus - out of the league '09****
2006 - Mario Williams - 2 pro bowls**
2005 - Alex Smith - free agent**
2004 - Eli Manning - 1 pro bowl, Super Bowl MVP**
2003 - Carson Palmer - 2 pro bowls**
2002 - David Carr - enough said***
2001 - Michael Vick - 4 pro bowls*
2000 - Courtney Brown - out of league '06***
1999 - Tim Couch - out of league '07***

12 pro bowl selections in a combined 55 seasons

2 Perennial Pro Bowlers*
3 Starters**
4 Journeymen***
1 Major bust****

My point? It's about a 50/50 shot if the guy we take #1 will even end up a starter for us. So why would you not even consider using it to trade for a guy who has proven he can be a starter. And IMO, with the right coaching, could end up being multiple Pro Bowler. Our 1st + 3rd for Kolb + Philly's 2nd is a more than fair deal from our end.

I'm all for setting our sights high, but please be realistic.

Ok,
Kolb has started 7 out of 64 games in his career.
He has 11 TDs 14 ints career.
He's thrown for 2,082 yds career.

He's proven he can be a starter & be wildly mediocre.

Hence I say take the shot at picking up greatness in the draft.

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Posted 10 January 2011 - 05:53 AM

Kolb as a starter... per NFL.com

170/274 1915yds 11td 10 int

81.1 QB Rating

Bradford...

76.5 QB Rating

Again not advocating for Kolb to the Panthers
just wanted to make a point about draft value. :banghead:

Edited by Stumpy, 10 January 2011 - 06:01 AM.


#34 Zaximus

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Posted 10 January 2011 - 06:18 AM

Kolb will be a good QB wherever he goes. He's had great coaching. Reid has shaped Vick up since getting into Philly and I have no doubt Kolb is ready to be a starter. I'd like to see him given a full season like a QB should deserve.

Now that Luck is not an option, I don't see any other first rounder that's a sure pick. Two #1's for Kolb, is out of the question though. Maybe we could trade our #1 for a lower first round pick and an extra 2 and 3, and THEN Trade our 1st for Kolb, etc.

Kolb has at least proven he can, at times, look really great. It's almost less than a gamble than drafting a college QB honestly. And face it, us trading down since Luck is staying in school is NOT out of the question.

Most people on here, like a poster above said, will think a #1 pick is guaranteed success, but I think Kolb would be worth a gamble. Like I said though, not for 2 first round picks though.

You'll continue to hear numerous reasons as to why people don't want our team to take gambles, or spend money on certain people, but sometimes you have to do a little bit of all of that to start a successful run with a team.

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Posted 10 January 2011 - 06:28 AM

^this

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Posted 10 January 2011 - 08:02 AM

I would in a heart-beat if the asking price wasn't so high...two first rounders? But I agree we need a QB and he is a safer bet than any QB out there. I wish we could do it and still get some type of first round pick in return.

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Posted 10 January 2011 - 08:16 AM

there is no way they get more than a 2nd rounder for him

they don't really have a reason to trade him if they wanted him around as a backup to be honest. he is only owed like $1 million IF that next season and then he's gone.

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Posted 10 January 2011 - 08:42 AM

there is no way they get more than a 2nd rounder for him

they don't really have a reason to trade him if they wanted him around as a backup to be honest. he is only owed like $1 million IF that next season and then he's gone.


Yes, his salary is just over 1 million. He wants to start before entering his second contract, so he will not sit back quietly.

The bidding for Kolb is going to be intense. I think we could make an offer they would consider, however.

1. DW or Goodson RB
2. Connor LB
3. Swap first round selections

We get the QB we need, send Penn St. LB home to start, and still keep a first rounder that might be good enough to land Stephen Paea or a good CB. In the 4th round we could draft Irvin (NCSU) or Sturdivant (UNC) to back up Beason.

That is good value for Philly, and I would make the trade if I were Hurney. Kolb is the real deal. He is seasoned with a good coach and 4 years of development. He has always been behind good QBs. He will succeed here.

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Posted 10 January 2011 - 08:44 AM

Doesn't this remind you of how we got Delhomme? A guy who was good in releif and was stuck playing behind a black QB who was on a roll.

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Posted 10 January 2011 - 08:53 AM

We won 2 games this year. We should at least do that again. Give Clausen 2 years or 1.5 years and if it doesnt pan out let Moore play if we sign him. We will find ourselves again in the NFL low draft position I say top 5-6 then we can go after a QB.

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Posted 10 January 2011 - 08:55 AM

They are going to drive up his price tag. I wouldn't take any more than a 3rd for him, and I think that pick is worth more than he is this year

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Posted 10 January 2011 - 09:04 AM

nah, I'm good. Andy Reid's system allows all QBs to do well

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Posted 10 January 2011 - 10:30 AM

But hows do we lose out and takes teh Luckz ifn we haves the quarterback this year?!

The idea of "just letting Clausen" start makes me ill. If he wins the job against some competition, good, but were those of you who just want us go into the season with him as our designated starter with no real competition even watching last year??

Also, the idea of letting Clausen another year or half a year risk literally throwing two straight seasons in the can. This fan base should be going berserk at that idea. Everyone assumes that you have to either be terrible or great. Sometimes progress takes a middle ground.

If Kolb ends up being the best acquisition for what we have to offer, be it money or what is on the draft board, he makes sense to take. Personally I would rather find someone else, because I'm not convinced Kolb is a long-term answer... but that may be due to my skepticism of Andy Reid's offense.

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Posted 10 January 2011 - 10:32 AM

Philly will never get what they really want for Kolb.

1. No players can be traded without a new CBA, so the draft for this yr will be probably be finished before a new CBA is complete.

2. Any draft picks given away for a player will be next yrs draft after the CBA gets done. I dont see any team give up next yrs Number 1 for any player.

3. Makes me think without a CBA this yrs draft will be boring because team may not be able to trade future drafts.

the only team that has enough picks for trading power would be New England, 2 picks in each of the first 3 rounds.

I wonder if we get any compensation picks without a CBA?

Edited by Panther53521, 10 January 2011 - 10:38 AM.


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Posted 10 January 2011 - 10:34 AM

teams can trade current and future draft picks but not players. We will receive compensation picks for this year based on this year's CBA as far as I know.


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