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The Pro Clausen Thread....

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Peyton Manning would have looked like poo with what we had last year...

Nah, Manning's the exception.....the older one that is.

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I'd like to be optimistic about Clausen but my main concern is that the damage has already been done. Ideally, he would had sat last season to allow him to catch up to the speed of the NFL and allow his foot to completely heal while Moore took care of the team. Now, it's a possibility that Clausen will develop David Carr-like symptoms that no amount of coaching can fix.

On the other hand, he may be able to put this season behind him and become successful. I'm not sure how often that happens in this league, though. My gut feeling is that he'll end up like Alex Smith of the 49ers, awful first season, has his moments but always falls back to earth.

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Those that already consider Clausen a bust, think too much in black and white. Nothing about the Panthers outside of the horrible coaching last year should be considered black and white.

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:lol:

There are two types of people on this board.

People that have faith in Jimmy Clausen.

And People who have never watched 1 minute of football in their lives.

The two cannot exist together.

See, I can do it too.

This is more like it!

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Yes, but yours is laughable.

The wait and see approach is the only approach that any reasonable football fan would make right now.

I think if you look at him independent of the team and independent of results, you can see what HE brings to the NFL. With the physical tools he has, it's harder to become successful than someone who has better tools. He has a longer road and most people with his tools don't succeed in the NFL. His style of play hasn't changed in any years he's played since his freshman year in HS, his supporting cast just had far superior talent in his good seasons.

All else equal, he can't get it done.

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is anyone sold on him as the QB? is anyone so pro-clausen that they are confident that he will be able to turn it around and become a really good QB for us?

if you aren't (which it is apparent that rivera isn't), then you look for other options. clausen showed no growth during the year. any improvement that was made last year was microscopic. the situation was bad, but all of his many shortcomings was a huge part of the problem.

i saw nothing in his play to inspire confidence in his ability. did anyone see anything on the sidelines or in his interactions with other players to make you think he could make this team his? did you see any sparks of leadership there? did you see any chemistry between him and anyone on this team? the problem goes beyond his play on the field. i saw no confidence in him from anyone and i didn't see him do anything to deserve it other than not throw more than 1 INT in a game.

if luck were coming out in the draft, imo we would have no choice but to draft him. because there is such a weakness in this draft class and FA class at QB, then we have very little choice but to go with him again. if we start him again, it's because we had no other options worth a crap.

of course new coaching staff and an offseason with him as starter and an offense built with him in mind might bring about different results, but i am far from confident that we will see a markeable difference.

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when you show little to no growth in 10 games than something is wrong.the jury is still out, but we need a good back up plan.

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I think if you look at him independent of the team and independent of results, you can see what HE brings to the NFL. With the physical tools he has, it's harder to become successful than someone who has better tools. He has a longer road and most people with his tools don't succeed in the NFL. His style of play hasn't changed in any years he's played since his freshman year in HS, his supporting cast just had far superior talent in his good seasons.

All else equal, he can't get it done.

Couldn't the same thing be said for a lot of young Qbs though? Both in college and in Pros? (Pros for example) Ryan/Flacco/Rodgers/Sanchez... All inherited great talent, or, their teams went out and picked up great FAs their rookie year, to help them. All have found success in the nfl.

We don't know how they'd perform on a team as disorganized as the '10 Panthers were. Or how Clausen would perform on a team like the Falcons/Ravens/Jets/Packers. In no way am I comparing Clausen to the Qbs I mentioned above, just situations or a lack thereof.

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With a new offensive system in place. WR's coming into training camp with at least 1 years worth of experience in the NFL. Healthy offensive line, and a healthy backfield. I honestly believe Clausen will be a solid game manager. I think he will regain his confidence, because Rivera is an inspirational leader, and Rivera will bring in the coaches necessary to get the best out of Clausen. Probably the biggest issue with Clausen is his mentality, he needs to gain confidence and experience to progress. He can deliver some heat on the ball at times (I believe largely due to his time in the pocket and confidence in his arm/WR). He can also be extremely jumpy in the pocket, and is easily rattled in the pocket. That can all be fixed through coaching/experience. He needs to improve on his accuracy, but I believe that can be fixed with an improvement in pocket presence, which is also coachable. He doesn't seem very charismatic and doesn't show leadership quality. But given 2 more seasons I think he will be a solid game manager and might even turn out to be "good".

Only time will tell.

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hmm why not fine Clausen everytime he throws the ball away or fine the OL every time Jimmy is sacked.

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