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Panthers Not Raising Ticket Prices For This Season


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#37 Anybodyhome

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 01:37 PM

There actually is a line in the PSL contract where you agree that you are not buying PSL's for investment purposes. lol

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Riiiiight, just like every business who owns luxury boxes...

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 02:58 PM

If investing thousands means nothing to you and you chalk it up as a loss anyway, I've got some land to sell you. Sorry, I drop that much cash on something I'd expect to get my money's worth, but that's just me...

And I normally know the people I sell my seats to... both times I've done it, so you obviously know poo. Only missed 6 home games in 15 years, 2 by choice. But tell me where your seats are and I'll make an honest effort to buy something close, turn around and scalp them to a Pittsburgh fan or something.


:smilielol5: I certainly didn't buy PSLs to turn around in 5 years and sell them for a profit. I bought them so I could have season tickets to see my favorite team play for the next 25 years.

529, Row 12, seats 1 & 2. Please, buy something close and sell them to opposing fans. I absolutely love talking poo to opposing fan douche bags.

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 04:23 PM

I'm interested to see where teams rank in raising ticket prices and how much.. would be intriguing to see but I can't seem to find anything on that..


Not sure whether this helps ...

http://seatgeek.com/...l-ticket-prices

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 04:40 PM

Worth versus what you'll get for them are far different in the world of Panther PSLs. A friend of mine sold his 3 a couple years ago and was extremely pissed that he paid more for his PSLs in '95 from the team during the initial offering than the team was selling them for in 2008.

Through the team, not a broker mind you. He paid $2k more for each PSL than the team was listing them for on the Panthers website. The Panthers actually repriced a lot of PSL sections by raising some PSL prices, lowering others and some they did nothing with.

In this economy I wouldn't even try to sell my PSLs. They simply are not worth anything when the team is not successful. If they were consistently winning it would still require a pretty decent economy to sell them. 90% of the stadium is filled with PSL tickets, but the owners are at home or elsewhere while whoever bought that day's tickets are in the stadium.

There is no return on investment in the PSLs. The team is horrible which makes selling them for a profit impossible. And selling the individual game tickets is only recovering a small portion of your seasonal ticket expenditure as well.

Panthers PSLs- the proverbial albatross. Or, the gift that keeps on costing....


I'm negotiating selling our four PSLs, for personal reasons, not because of the bad season. Here's what I told the guy who may purchase them:

I do think ... that the value of the PSLs cannot be tied to just one season. The value is in what you want from them -- the pleasure of the NFL experience in person and the guarantee that you can have that experience as long as you wish (as long as you own the PSL). The value also includes being able to pass those PSLs along to your children, if you wish.



I believe that. I also reminded him that there's value in buying MY PSLs because they are next to his good friend and business partner. Will see what happens.

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 04:42 PM

Not sure whether this helps ...

http://seatgeek.com/...l-ticket-prices


That list is how much teams were getting on the private market selling their tickets.

He wants to know how much ticket prices are rising next year. I don't think that information has come out for most teams yet.

I have read that Tampa is going down and Detroit, Carolina, Titans 49ers, Patriots and the Texans are staying the same. Don't have a full list. Maybe someone else does.

Edited by panthers55, 19 January 2011 - 04:49 PM.


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Posted 19 January 2011 - 04:56 PM

That list is how much teams were getting on the private market selling their tickets.

He wants to know how much ticket prices are rising next year. I don't think that information has come out for most teams yet.

I have read that Tampa is going down and Detroit, Carolina, Titans 49ers, Patriots and the Texans are staying the same. Don't have a full list. Maybe someone else does.


Oh, I see. I just wasn't reading for comprehension ....

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 05:08 PM

"Not raising prices next year." That smacks of pessimism for next season. So next year we'll be hearing "Due to lack of a season last year; ticket prices will be doubled to recoupe losses for the season that wasn't. 'Scuse my cynicism.

Let me get this straight...Knowing that the 2010 season was skuttled from the get-go; they raised prices? Yeah...A deffinate refund should be in order.

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 05:20 PM

Anybodyhome.....if you bought PSLs as an investment (which I doubt you did because you go to the games), then you knew there was risk involved.

I had zero risk when I bought mine because they were not an investment to make money, they were an investment in having a great time 10 Sundays a year. During a shitty season like this one I yell and curse like the next guy from my seats, but I'm not selling my damn seats or PSLs to make a point and then bitch when I don't make a profit.

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 07:27 PM

Anybodyhome.....if you bought PSLs as an investment (which I doubt you did because you go to the games), then you knew there was risk involved.

I had zero risk when I bought mine because they were not an investment to make money, they were an investment in having a great time 10 Sundays a year. During a shitty season like this one I yell and curse like the next guy from my seats, but I'm not selling my damn seats or PSLs to make a point and then bitch when I don't make a profit.


Well, you're completely misunderstanding my position. I bought PSLs during the initial offering because I love the game. I had season tickets to the Raiders the entire time they were in LA when I lived in San Diego even though I was still in the Navy and was deployed overseas more often than not. In short, I've been going to football games for nearly 40 years.

However, as one gets older, one tends to get wiser as well. I, in all honesty, stopped enjoying the home games couple years ago. It was a game during the 2008 season when I didn't even feel like standing up when the Panthers scored. I no longer felt like yelling and screaming. I just wasn't having fun anymore... yet I still love the game and I still enjoy watching the game. Yet, because my wife is completely immersed in Panther football, I continued to load up the Tahoe at 6AM Sundays and make the 2 hour drive to Charlotte, tailgate (which I'll miss more than anything), go in for the game and drive home, hoping to get in by 8. That's a 14-hour day.

None of the regular seat owners were in attendance at all this season and everything came to a head during the Tampa Bay game when 3 Buc morons in front of us just wouldn't shut up and were being pretty disrespectful in our house. I don't act like an idiot when I attend road games and I don't tolerate it from anyone around me in BOA. I ended up going toe to toe with one of them before the cops stepped in. Mind you, this guy was 2 rows in front of me with no one in between. When the cop escorted us into the tunnel and I was standing on level ground with the guy, he was all of 5'8'". I'm 6'6" @ 270 and I just looked at the guy and the cop and asked the guy if he was crazy or just stupid. I told the cop not to toss the guy, let him watch the game, but just shut the f up. Watch the game, cheer all you want, but be respectful and enjoy yourself. That was really the icing on the cake. I've been in my current seats for 8 years, same place, same time every home game and I got some stupid punk-ass in front of me. It really all changed that day.

The few times I've missed games we've always given or sold the tickets to someone needing extras in our tailgating group. I'm going to skip some games this season in hopes that the few games I do attend I can get some of the good feelings back. Let's face it, the last couple seasons I've been doing little besides laughing at the crap I've seen on the BOA field. You either laugh or cry...

It's not a matter of risk/reward, investment or otherwise. It is a matter of getting your money's worth and I do think we got fleeced in 2010 by paying good money for an inferior product. Sorry, I just don't believe everything Jerry Richardson said about the only way the younger guys were going to get a chance was to get rid of all the veterans. I know Jerry Richardson, I've met him several times, spoken with him at several games almost every season since 1998 and the guy I saw in the presser was not the guy I met.

Regardless, I'm no less a fan for not wanting to attend as many games as I have over the years. I don't sell my tickets to strangers and I think ticket owners can do whatever they like with their tickets and they can call their PSLs "college funds" or whatever they want to.