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A non sugar-coated look at Jimmy's season

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Start Weinke...

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Start Weinke...

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More like a sucky never was QB...

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More like a sucky never was QB...
i was being generous, but yes.

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If he were a golfer, a boxer, or a tennis player, then throw his stats out without acknowledging anything else. This is a team sport, and he did not call his own plays, block for himself, or run routes for his passes.

Again, not drinking his Kool Aid, but some of you expected him to win a war with inferior equipment. YES-- HIS STATS WERE BAD, YES, HE MAY BE BAD. But if you went to war with a dumbass general calling the shots, surrounded by inferior or untrained soldiers, you are probably getting killed. Attack mode is where we want Clausen, not in Defense mode. There is a big difference.

I guess you can't fix dumb. I am sorry your Panthers lost and you need someone to blame. But unless the road is paved and the tires are good, the trip isn't going to be good no matter who is driving. Take the mature approach and be patient. Cover your bases by bringing in Volek, and spend some time with Clausen. That is the intelligent approach. Screaming "Clausen sucks" shows a lack of football acumen.

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i think you missed my point.

my argument is based on completion percentage and how he can't actually make easy throws.

No I didn't...

Bradford would have made either 3-4 easy throws per game more than Clausen. Which would have amounted to 15-20 yards.

If you knew that those passes were purely down to Clausen, then you would have a point, but you don't. Clausen had a higher percentage of drops per attempt, have you factored that in?

If you knew what the designed plays were for both Clausen and Bradford then you could claim that they ran the same scheme, but you don't. To most Clausen looked like he was checking down a lot, going from his first read if they weren't open. Bradford appeared to have actual play calls for it.

All you are doing is looking at a couple of averages, which are actually very similar (8% is hardly ground breaking.

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Team Young!!!!!

yep

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If he were a golfer, a boxer, or a tennis player, then throw his stats out without acknowledging anything else. This is a team sport, and he did not call his own plays, block for himself, or run routes for his passes.

Again, not drinking his Kool Aid, but some of you expected him to win a war with inferior equipment. YES-- HIS STATS WERE BAD, YES, HE MAY BE BAD. But if you went to war with a dumbass general calling the shots, surrounded by inferior or untrained soldiers, you are probably getting killed. Attack mode is where we want Clausen, not in Defense mode. There is a big difference.

I guess you can't fix dumb. I am sorry your Panthers lost and you need someone to blame. But unless the road is paved and the tires are good, the trip isn't going to be good no matter who is driving. Take the mature approach and be patient. Cover your bases by bringing in Volek, and spend some time with Clausen. That is the intelligent approach. Screaming "Clausen sucks" shows a lack of football acumen.

i expected to see some improvement. some glimpse of being...not even greatness, but just something that could make be believe that he has the potential to be good.

it wasn't his stats that i looked at. i don't even consider those much. what i saw was a guy who looked lost out there. he was a deer caught in headlights and i saw nothing to make me think he could be more than that. he was in over his head from the beginning and showed nothing to make me think he could be better than he was.

he wasn't the only problem by any means, but he was a huge part of the problem and the best solution is to find someone else.

you said "some of you expected him to win a war with inferior equipment", but here's the problem. he was part of the inferior equipment. he was an inferior QB to EVERY STARTING QB in the league and many backups. you could as much blame him for being the reason for the 2 in season as you could the blame the coaching staff for his struggles. it was a monumental screw up by a lot of parties and he was part of the problem that needs to be fixed/replaced.

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One also has to wonder how much the toe was affecting his play.

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i expected to see some improvement. some glimpse of being...not even greatness, but just something that could make be believe that he has the potential to be good.

it wasn't his stats that i looked at. i don't even consider those much. what i saw was a guy who looked lost out there. he was a deer caught in headlights and i saw nothing to make me think he could be more than that. he was in over his head from the beginning and showed nothing to make me think he could be better than he was.

he wasn't the only problem by any means, but he was a huge part of the problem and the best solution is to find someone else.

So do we also just find someone else at WR & OLine?

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If he were a golfer, a boxer, or a tennis player, then throw his stats out without acknowledging anything else. This is a team sport, and he did not call his own plays, block for himself, or run routes for his passes.

Again, not drinking his Kool Aid, but some of you expected him to win a war with inferior equipment. YES-- HIS STATS WERE BAD, YES, HE MAY BE BAD. But if you went to war with a dumbass general calling the shots, surrounded by inferior or untrained soldiers, you are probably getting killed. Attack mode is where we want Clausen, not in Defense mode. There is a big difference.

I guess you can't fix dumb. I am sorry your Panthers lost and you need someone to blame. But unless the road is paved and the tires are good, the trip isn't going to be good no matter who is driving. Take the mature approach and be patient. Cover your bases by bringing in Volek, and spend some time with Clausen. That is the intelligent approach. Screaming "Clausen sucks" shows a lack of football acumen.

The thing is, a lot of people around here were giving fox and davidson a hell of a lot of flack for the performance of the offense on the field. what surprised me was the fact that their gameplan was not to different than the one the rams drew up for Bradford in St. Louis. when they wanted to throw the ball, they would call a short pass in order for the rookie QB to gain confidence, and at the same time, not give him a whole lot to screw up. just hit your receivers on a short route. well it seems what they didn't account for was Jimmy not being able to throw the simplest of passes to any of his receivers. if your young QB can't make the easiest passes in the NFL, his future in the NFL does not look all that bright.

I was never on the clausen bandwagon so i am not jumping off of it. i did not clausen before the draft, and i was furious that we took him. from what i saw of him in college, I didn't want anything to do with him in the pros. saying he will suck now is no different than me saying he will suck before he was even drafted. I do not like pickles flavored kool-aid, and I probably never will.

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lol at the toe idea

I did notice, however, that Jimmy's long throws were usually way off target and hung in the air. I'm not going to say he sucks or not because he clearly needs a few years to develop. What the travesty is, is the notion that he was an NFL ready QB coming out of college just because he was in a pro-style system. It seems more people looked at that and his "pedigree" than his actual play

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