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#1 Alverez

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Posted 05 February 2009 - 05:00 PM

OK.

Minus letting Fitz run all over without any care in the world... What has Richard Marshall done for the Panthers?

Marshall was drafted in the 2nd round as the 15th DB picked in 2006's Draft.

Since then, one has become a WR (Hester), and one was let go by the Falcons and picked up by the 49ers in January.

7 of them are CB's in the league... and all are Starters... well.. All at starting 2 positions... minus Marshall who is our Nickel guy.

In the past 3 seasons, he's:

Got as many INT's as our Starters (Lucas and Gamble) with 3 in 2006

Lead in INT for the Panthers in 2007 out of the CB's with 3 in (Gambles - 1, Lucas - 2)

Gotten the least INT's for the Panthers in 2008 out of the CB's with 1 (Gambles - 3, Lucas - 2)


Out of his Draft (CB's):

He's had the most tackles for his career at the moment then any other in his class of CB's.

He is second in the most INT's with 7 (to only Antonio Cromartie with 12)

He is tied for the most TD's with 2 (to only Antonio Cromartie with 2)

Against the Panthers CB's (careers):

Marshall(7) trails Gamble(20) by 13 INT's and Lucas(24) by 17 INT's... But is tied with Gamble for TD's with 2 (Lucas has 1)

Marshall has 4 Sacks, Gamble 1, Lucas none.

Marshall is averaging 82 tackles a season
Gamble is averaging 71 tackles a season
Lucas is averaging 62 tackles a season

He's on a pace to out play the 2 starters on the Panthers in their current career numbers, and he's only a nickel back.

Minus the sacks.. because I don't study the game film and all that.. what advantages does Marshall have to have the Stats state he's a good player?

I know Stats aren't all of it. But that this moment, that's all I've got.

I know as Lucas has this season, and Gamble has in the past... Marshall has had some very off games/streaks (EX: 2008)

With route reading and that, I wonder how well he'll shine this coming season with the new DC that's got a history of DB coaching?

I have liked Marshalls play up until this season... so I'm letting this season kinda slide a lil.

I'd like to know what others of you think...

#2 MurkN

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Posted 05 February 2009 - 05:16 PM

Antonio Cromartie is a starter while Marshall isn't. For a 3rd CB I don't think he is half bad.

#3 Ashor

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Posted 05 February 2009 - 05:29 PM

He got beat a lot this year and I don't really know why. He usually played like a stud until this season. Maybe we can put the blame on the coaches? I always liked Marshall and I think he can play better than Lucas. Marshall is right around his career average in tackles this season but his pass deflection dropped. I think the main reason Marshall has been struggling is because the totality of our defense has struggled. We've defended the pass better than the run this year and that's not saying much if anything at all. Hopefully with the addition Ron Meeks, everything will be up to par with Marshall and the rest of our defense.

#4 SorthNarolina

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Posted 05 February 2009 - 05:32 PM

I like marshall alot as a nickle player, he is ideal for the slot.

His only weakness is his size but on some ocasions even that doesn't matter.

Hopefully this thread doesn't start into a "start marshall over lucas" thread because those are so pointless, it wouldn't change a thing.

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Posted 05 February 2009 - 05:51 PM

Minus the sacks.. because I don't study the game film and all that.. what advantages does Marshall have to have the Stats state he's a good player?


Marshall is more likely to get tackles because a quarterback, if given the opportunity, would rather throw against him than Gamble.

But I see your point, and I do agree that Marshall should see more playing time. He blew a few assignments this year, but some of that is because he often jumps his routes. That's why Marshall often can come up with the big play.

I look forward to seeing how he develops under Meeks. Same could be said of Godfrey and, well, our whole defense, for that matter. :)

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Posted 05 February 2009 - 06:41 PM

He definitely took a step back this year. I was shocked that he didn't beat out Ken Lucas for the starting CB position.

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Posted 05 February 2009 - 06:44 PM

I like marshall alot as a nickle player, he is ideal for the slot.


Sorry, but you don't draft CBs in the 2nd round to play the nickle. Especially when you have Ken Lucas on the team.

He took a step back this year.

#8 GICardiacFan

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Posted 05 February 2009 - 07:22 PM

Yeah, hopefully this was just an off year and he will develop well under Meeks. I am already looking forward to next season.

#9 manwithcake

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Posted 05 February 2009 - 07:23 PM

Honestly, I think Tim Lewis was probably a big part of the problem. Our DB's...all of them...seemed to regress rather than progress. I could be wrong, but we'll definitely see next year. Meeks works well with DB's.

#10 mantal

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Posted 05 February 2009 - 07:29 PM

Honestly, I think Tim Lewis was probably a big part of the problem. Our DB's...all of them...seemed to regress rather than progress. I could be wrong, but we'll definitely see next year. Meeks works well with DB's.



Funny how so many were saying how much better we were with Tim Lewis when he came here and how many are saying he sucks aZZ on his way out. Just an observation, certainly nothing against you...

#11 unicar15

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Posted 05 February 2009 - 07:37 PM

He's got the skills to be a starter he just needs some good coaching and a good work ethic..

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Posted 05 February 2009 - 08:08 PM

How does anyone blame Marshall for Fitz being open?

Come on.. That's all on Trgo and his dumb play calling.

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Posted 05 February 2009 - 09:57 PM

How does anyone blame Marshall for Fitz being open?

Come on.. That's all on Trgo and his dumb play calling.


You could blame Tim Lewis too. I remember all the asskissing everyone was doing with Lewis last year. How they performed so well without a pass rush. Now they performed the same way with a pass rush and people are pointing it out as a problem.

Both Lewis and Trgo are gone now so let's end the blame game. realistically, you don't blame anyone but Fitz for being open. Believe it or not, but he's been pretty open in all his playoff games. He's like smitty, you can try covering him all game.. but you can't. (unless you're asomugha)

#14 panthers55

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Posted 05 February 2009 - 10:13 PM

Funny how so many were saying how much better we were with Tim Lewis when he came here and how many are saying he sucks aZZ on his way out. Just an observation, certainly nothing against you...


I was one who was excited when Lewis came here especially given his resume as a player and while as Piitsburgh as DB coach and defensive coordinator. I thought he did make Gamble better and last year our corners were more physical. Through the first 6 games this year we were doing very well also. I have no idea what happened from there or why we looked so bad after the break. We looked like 2 different teams in the secondary this year comparing the first half to the second.

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Posted 06 February 2009 - 03:14 AM

Not trying to start anything, (start Marshall over Lucas) but it's a high probability that Lucas isn't here next season and that Marshall will be the starter come next season with Wilson playing the Nickle. At this point in Lucas' career I like Marshall & Wilson over Lucas & Marshall.


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