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#61 KJDaniel31

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Posted 26 January 2011 - 12:43 AM

What I don't understand is, if WCO offense allow a QB to put up MASSIVE NUMBERS (and apparently with "bad" QB's like McNabb who will suck in any other system), why in the world isn't EVERY team in the league using this offense???

Because good QB numbers don't always mean Championships. The WCO is a completely different read/progression system than most NFL offenses. WCO doesn't require near the violent down field arm strength to make 5-10 yard quick throws. It's very hard to break those habits of where to look with your checkdowns when you are used to working LOS to deep. It's much like the difference in read option systems, Mike Leach style run n shoot and a pure pro style. A different one wins each year, its just who runs it best. Leach's style will always produce more passing yards, but that doesnt mean its better.

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Posted 26 January 2011 - 12:46 AM

For the season...

- a worse completion percentage than Alex Smith, Chad Henne and Shaun Hill
But better than Kyle Orton, Mark Sanchez and Kerry Collins.

- fewer TDs than Jon Kitna, Chad Henne and Kerry Collins
Kitna played well, OK, Henne had more starts and one more TD than McNabb, Collins had 14 TDs like McNabb.

- more interceptions than Derek Anderson, Alex Smith and even Jimmy Clausen (plus ten fumbles)
Pickles only started 10 games, Smith 10, Anderson only 8.

- sacked more frequently than all but three QBs in the league
Phillip Rivers, Joe Flacco and Jay Cutler were sacked more.

- the 24th ranked passer rating, beaten by guys like Hill and Smith
- and a record of 5-8 as a starter
You better give in or I'm going to use the race card! OK just kidding. But going to Washington last year and the way he was shipped there was not in McNabb's best interest and only being shipped to somewhere like Cincinnati could have been a worse fate.



This is not a guy I want to have to make any significant investment in, especially knowing we're not playing in a system that favors him.

I have no interest in Kolb either. Taking one of Reid's guys away from his system and expecting the same result is digging for fool's gold.

As is drawing any NFL big picture conclusions on the careers of Koy Detmer and AJ feeley.



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#63 Gazi

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Posted 26 January 2011 - 12:49 AM

Hurney holding a #1 pick all the while attending a Senior Bowl scares the poo out of me

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Posted 26 January 2011 - 12:51 AM

Because good QB numbers don't always mean Championships. The WCO is a completely different read/progression system than most NFL offenses. WCO doesn't require near the violent down field arm strength to make 5-10 yard quick throws. It's very hard to break those habits of where to look with your checkdowns when you are used to working LOS to deep. It's much like the difference in read option systems, Mike Leach style run n shoot and a pure pro style. A different one wins each year, its just who runs it best. Leach's style will always produce more passing yards, but that doesnt mean its better.


How are you not being successful if your QB is putting up massive numbers? (with a good defense obviously)

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Posted 26 January 2011 - 12:56 AM

You're not far off. "Fishing" is probably the best metaphor.

The hope would be that someone falls in love with one of the top QB prospects enough that they simply have to have them. So Hurney throws the bait out there, making it look like we plan to take them. Hopefully, the other team responds by offering us a decent trade for the number one pick.

No guarantee it'll work, of course. Other GMs could easily suspect it's a trick.

If no one bites, c'est la vie. We just use the pick to take the best player available (probably Fairley).

But we're at least gonna try.


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Posted 26 January 2011 - 12:58 AM

Not so sure about that. He's got a rep for being a whiny diva and blaming teammates.

Bottom line for me though: Pretty much every QB that Andy Reid has turned into a star has gone to another team and completely sucked :(

They just don't function as well outside that system, and what we're running won't be anything close to equivalent.

Just say no to Reid QBs :nonod:


Donovan McNabb has a rep for being a whiny diva and blaming teammates?

Who did you get that little tidbit from...TO? Maybe Freddie Mitchell?

Anyway, the only thing that makes me reticent about McNabb is age, and the fact that Reid let him go, not the fact that he was a Reid QB. He has pretty much always been a winner, but fell off last year (which may be because of the situation). We have to consider him being what's out there.
He has had a good career (better than Jake), and that's arguably with mostly with receivers like Mitchell. If he was here, he would probably put a spark in the offense (provided he has decent protection). I am not saying that we shouldn't look at all the options. but I am not gonna cry if McNabb would end up as a Panther for a few years if he has something left in the tank.

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Posted 26 January 2011 - 01:03 AM

i wouldnt mind mcnabb, palmer or young. but i do want a veteran so jimmy doesnt have to play next yr, let him learn.

as far as drafting a QB, its a smokescreen to try and keep every team off guard. hoping someone will trade up to try and get gabbert

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Posted 26 January 2011 - 01:05 AM

How are you not being successful if your QB is putting up massive numbers? (with a good defense obviously)

look at the chargers in '10. best offense and defense in the league last year and were lucky to finish 9-7. crap happens.

re: your question about why others don't do it...WCO is incredibly complicated schematically and doesn't allow for a whole lot of freedom and innovation. pass first offense that typically has a weak run game. QB is essentially a robot of the OC. not a whole lot of creativity is required from the QB. QBs just have to makequick reads and short quick throws. WRs have very intricate routes that have to be run exactly so that the QB can throw blindly knowing that the WR is going to be there. not a whole lot of flexibility. it ends up making the offense a bit one dimensional. it's not at all a balanced offense and more recently, that is what is required to be successful.

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Posted 26 January 2011 - 01:17 AM

And people who have no clue how to read GM speak will automatically start screaming that we're drafting a QB :lol:

Boy would I love to play Poker with some of the folks on here.


well considering 90% of the people on the huddle are fuging idiots, i would love to be in that game.

and the huddle needs to get it through their heads...we will suck ass a QB next year. be ready so you aren't too disappointed.

#70 nagai

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Posted 26 January 2011 - 01:22 AM

seriously? lol.


Yeah seriously. They just foxspoke :/. Everything that they've actually come out to say has pretty much been a true reflection of what they think. I dunno where this myth that they're some sort of chess master came from.

#71 Pox 08

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Posted 26 January 2011 - 01:54 AM

Per npse:

Vinny Testaverde announced today that he is preparing to come out retirement. He said a team is interested, but he does not want to say which one yet.



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Posted 26 January 2011 - 02:02 AM

Is this telling me what I think it's telling me.....



Armanti will finally be QB?!?!

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Posted 26 January 2011 - 02:07 AM

Great, the Cam Newton threads will fill the front page again and I need to go away and come back in a week again.

Damn you Hurney! The conversations were finally just getting good around here again. Couldn't have you just shut up until at least March?!

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Posted 26 January 2011 - 02:11 AM

Great, the Cam Newton threads will fill the front page again and I need to go away and come back in a week again.

Damn you Hurney! The conversations were finally just getting good around here again. Couldn't have you just shut up until at least March?!


+ rep.

Interesting, well thought out threads. It was too good to last. Alas, Hurney can't be happy just ruining our team. He feels it necessary to fug with our forums too.

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Posted 26 January 2011 - 02:13 AM

+ rep.

Interesting, well thought out threads. It was too good to last. Alas, Hurney can't be happy just ruining our team. He feels it necessary to fug with our forums too.


So ready for April to be here so we can get all this speculation over and done with and move on with our football lives.


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