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#1 Frash Brastard

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Posted 05 February 2009 - 11:03 PM

1st rounders since 2004

2003

Dewayne Robertson-Nose tackle (N/A)
Jonathan Sullivan-New England couldn't even save his career
Kevin Williams-Constitutes half of the feared Williams wall in Minnesota
Jimmy Kennedy-Slowly developed the first 4 years, then went horribly downhill.
William Joseph-Massive bust

2004

Tommie Harris-Pro bowler
Vince Wilfork-Nose tackle
Marcus Tubbs-bust (one solid season sandwiched between 2 ineffective ones)

2005

Travis Johnson-Iffy at best. Again, one solid season, surrounded by 3 average ones
Luis Castillo-Converted to DE (N/A)
Mike Patterson-Solid starter

2006

Haloti Ngata-Premier Nose Tackle (N/A)
Broderick Bunkley-solid starter
John McCargo-Nothingness

2007

Amobi Okoye-Decent starter. Better than Damione
Justin Harrell-BUST

2008

Glenn Dorsey-Solid rookie effort
Sedrick Ellis-Ditto^
Kentwan Balmer-Hasn't done anything yet

First round DTs can be line disruptors, but if they are busts, they are awful. Would you assume that kind of a risk, providing we do get a first rounder for Peppers?

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Posted 05 February 2009 - 11:11 PM

why don't NTs count? Ngata's been phenomenal. Castillo has been a force in the 3-4, in what's essentially a tackle position.

You could do the same with DE. Not everybody works out. Not that I think DT is the only option, but certainly you can go down the line and see failure at any position.

#3 Frash Brastard

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Posted 05 February 2009 - 11:17 PM

it's a different defensive system. different assignments in a 3-4.

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Posted 05 February 2009 - 11:18 PM

If the right guy is there, I say go for it. Regardless, I think 2 out of our first 3 picks will be (or at least should be) defensive linemen.

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Posted 05 February 2009 - 11:24 PM

it's a different defensive system. different assignments in a 3-4.


Not to the point where it would affect their production or play for these purposes.

#6 Frash Brastard

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Posted 05 February 2009 - 11:29 PM

even so, still, they can either do good for you or not do anything. If you're looking for as sure of a thing as possible for your first rounder I'd kind of avoid defensive tackle, and look for options in free agency instead.

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Posted 05 February 2009 - 11:35 PM

We've never drafted a DT in the first round but 2 Defensive ends, Jason Peter and Pepp for what that's worth. And of course we wasted two first round picks to acquire Sean Gilbert. :mad:
Maybe some quality free agent help is the way to go. :cool:

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Posted 05 February 2009 - 11:44 PM

1st rounders since 2004

2003

Dewayne Robertson-Nose tackle (N/A)
Jonathan Sullivan-New England couldn't even save his career
Kevin Williams-Constitutes half of the feared Williams wall in Minnesota
Jimmy Kennedy-Slowly developed the first 4 years, then went horribly downhill.
William Joseph-Massive bust

2004

Tommie Harris-Pro bowler
Vince Wilfork-Nose tackle
Marcus Tubbs-bust (one solid season sandwiched between 2 ineffective ones)

2005

Travis Johnson-Iffy at best. Again, one solid season, surrounded by 3 average ones
Luis Castillo-Converted to DE (N/A)
Mike Patterson-Solid starter

2006

Haloti Ngata-Premier Nose Tackle (N/A)
Broderick Bunkley-solid starter
John McCargo-Nothingness

2007

Amobi Okoye-Decent starter. Better than Damione
Justin Harrell-BUST

2008

Glenn Dorsey-Solid rookie effort
Sedrick Ellis-Ditto^
Kentwan Balmer-Hasn't done anything yet

First round DTs can be line disruptors, but if they are busts, they are awful. Would you assume that kind of a risk, providing we do get a first rounder for Peppers?



You can do this with just about every position. The draft is just as much hit or miss with DTs as it is with QBs and so on and so on.

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Posted 05 February 2009 - 11:57 PM

Take the best DT's in the game today: Haynesworth, Jenkins, K Williams, J Williams, Ngata, Hampton, Wilfork, and formally Harris and Stroud, and what you find is almost all were taken in the first with a handful in the second round.

Name the greatest of all time: Mean Joe, Olsen, Randy White, Lilly and Page, and you find all were taken in the first.

Quarterback on the other hand...

#10 John Fox

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Posted 06 February 2009 - 12:03 AM

Busts happen, you can't always draft great.

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Posted 06 February 2009 - 12:06 AM

....Yeah Jake Delhommes are just SOOOOO easy to find aren't they?

so many undrafted free agents starting and outperforming first round draft picks out there. Here's something you probably didn't look up: 9 out of the top 15 QBs this year were first rounders. So much for "bust" probability.

back to the topic at hand.

#12 John Fox

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Posted 06 February 2009 - 12:20 AM

....Yeah Jake Delhommes are just SOOOOO easy to find aren't they?

so many undrafted free agents starting and outperforming first round draft picks out there. Here's something you probably didn't look up: 9 out of the top 15 QBs this year were first rounders. So much for "bust" probability.

back to the topic at hand.


well, DT's do take a while to develop, more so than any other position I think. Haynseworth was considered a bust after about 4 years. :driving:

But anyway, I don't want a DT, I'd much rather draft a TE

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Posted 06 February 2009 - 12:28 AM

TE in the first? We can easily pick up a decent TE in round 3+

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Posted 06 February 2009 - 12:28 AM

well, DT's do take a while to develop, more so than any other position I think. Haynseworth was considered a bust after about 4 years. :driving:

But anyway, I don't want a DT, I'd much rather draft a TE


oh noes, but that's on the Panthers first round "no-nos" list.

Other positions...

QB
WR
Safety

Instead let's stockpile running backs and linebackers....:rolleyes:


....although I would take Maualuga out of SC...

#15 unicar15

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Posted 06 February 2009 - 12:40 AM

I posted the exact same thing in the draft board a week ago...


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