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So I got called an atheist today

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Flying Spaghetti Monster. Prove it doesn't exist, atheists.

Why don't you come up with your own stuff rather then steal from Richard Dawkins?

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So I have never really sat down and thought about it. But I always thought of myself as somewhat of an agnostic. Can't prove there is a God, can't prove there ISN'T a God. But apparently I put myself off as an atheist in things I say and the way I act towards religion as a whole.

So, am I the only one who is "wtf" at this kinda stuff?

If by "wtf at this kinda stuff" you mean "doesn't really give a poo", then yes I'm like "wtf at this kinda stuff".

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Welcome to the club, my friend.

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So I have never really sat down and thought about it. But I always thought of myself as somewhat of an agnostic. Can't prove there is a God, can't prove there ISN'T a God. But apparently I put myself off as an atheist in things I say and the way I act towards religion as a whole.

So, am I the only one who is "wtf" at this kinda stuff?

Plenty of believers disdain organized religion as well.

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It is strange to me, only because I am at a private baptist school. So, being agnostic or atheistic here is frowned upon (granted, I came here because they have a good teacher education program). But, it isn't like I care. Grew up a believer, mostly because, as most of you know, if you are raised in the south you are more than likely going to be a christian or involved in some sect of a religion. But after taking the past 3 years to sit back and look at it, religion just seems a bit strange to me. Too many questions and too much blind faith in something that can't be proven. I could take the Richard Dawkins route and consider myself an agnostic atheist, but I think I'm just more of a flat out atheist.

The only hesitation I have in considering myself such is the douche bag atheists I know...I'd hate to be considered one in the same with THEM (as far as ALWAYS having to throw it in the face of the religious).

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If you bill yourself as an atheist you will be persecuted. Over time you may develop this "in your face" attitude as a defense mechanism.

No different than any other minority

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Plenty of believers disdain organized religion as well.

My mother is very christian and hates organized religion. So yes you have a point.

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I just have different beliefs from others and many don't appreciate it and would rather "pray for me" and worry about me and my soul than listen to what I have to say and give it a thought.

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Most people that I have met, whether they are Christian, Buddhist, Jewish, Muslim, Atheist or Agnostic, are never exactly the same as the other another person who says they are of that religion. Meaning that everyone is different. (well no poo Panthers8192)

What I mean to say is people will look for certain characteristics they hold more precious or meaningful in a religious view while disregarding others sometimes even causing paradoxes.

For example: Many atheists claim Christians are closed minded and refuse to see anything the other way around. Funny thing is they are too.

Also I've seen Christians completely hate people that aren't "in your face" atheists. Yet I'm pretty sure there are stories of Jesus reaching out to people who didn't see the world as he did.

Thus at one point I decided that maybe its organized religion that is the problem, but I have seen Churches, Mosques, and Temples help revitalize some people who could not have done it on their own accord. The world refuses to deal in black and whites so I finally came to this, my current (I use current strongly because I feel that religion evolves for people throughout their life) belief system.

While I do have a certain set of religious views, I choose to keep them personal and not identify with any religion nor look negatively on anyone's else's beliefs that didn't coincide with mine. I feel that my closest friends and family can know what I believe but outside of that I don't necessarily care that anyone know, nor do I want them to know. Because at the end of the day a lot of people are incredibly judgmental about what you believe, and sometimes get too caught up in simple words like "Atheist".

Thus my advice for you Lights Out would to be to talk to these people who are judging you and let them know that your actions and behavior should define you, not the connotation of a term like Atheist.

*Finally point, the only thing I do have a problem with is when people's religion enables them to hurt other people either physically or emotionally. But alas as beans wisely said, if there were no religions people would still harm each other anyway, so once again I can not blame religion, just the ignorance of some people.

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Most people that I have met, whether they are Christian, Buddhist, Jewish, Muslim, Atheist or Agnostic, are never exactly the same as the other another person who says they are of that religion. Meaning that everyone is different. (well no poo Panthers8192)

What I mean to say is people will look for certain characteristics they hold more precious or meaningful in a religious view while disregarding others sometimes even causing paradoxes.

For example: Many atheists claim Christians are closed minded and refuse to see anything the other way around. Funny thing is they are too.

Also I've seen Christians completely hate people that aren't "in your face" atheists. Yet I'm pretty sure there are stories of Jesus reaching out to people who didn't see the world as he did.

Thus at one point I decided that maybe its organized religion that is the problem, but I have seen Churches, Mosques, and Temples help revitalize some people who could not have done it on their own accord. The world refuses to deal in black and whites so I finally came to this, my current (I use current strongly because I feel that religion evolves for people throughout their life) belief system.

While I do have a certain set of religious views, I choose to keep them personal and not identify with any religion nor look negatively on anyone's else's beliefs that didn't coincide with mine. I feel that my closest friends and family can know what I believe but outside of that I don't necessarily care that anyone know, nor do I want them to know. Because at the end of the day a lot of people are incredibly judgmental about what you believe, and sometimes get too caught up in simple words like "Atheist".

Thus my advice for you Lights Out would to be to talk to these people who are judging you and let them know that your actions and behavior should define you, not the connotation of a term like Atheist.

*Finally point, the only thing I do have a problem with is when people's religion enables them to hurt other people either physically or emotionally. But alas as beans wisely said, if there were no religions people would still harm each other anyway, so once again I can not blame religion, just the ignorance of some people.

Well said. I've never been into organized religion, even as a believer. Just too much BS by some people. I blame a church actually, because I remember at 12, I went to a church youth camp for a weekend. I was listening to my walkman, a little Alice in Chains. The preacher of my church saw it and said that if I listened to that kind of stuff, I would, and I quote "burn in eternal hell fire and brimstone" and said he would pray for me. I politely said no and no. lol. That was the last time I had anything to do with anything involving church. Churches are of man.

Religion itself is more my problem, but I'd rather not go into full detail, as I am sure there are ways to try and prove flaws in my argument (like most arguments, really, whether or not there be factual evidence supporting it) and rather not get into a religious battle. Thanks for the advice in handling it though, guys.

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Agnostic and Atheist are two completely separate religious beliefs. I love how some Christians think they are the same. There are even different kinds of Atheists and Agnostics within the belief. I got labeled an Atheist the other day by some Jesus lovers when I said I was agnostic. Came to my door asking if I wanted to know the truth...I said "sure do, you're not going to murder me are you?". People think because you don't chose to claim you know something as truth, when you don't, you must not believe in anything. This is completely untrue and the difference between being agnostic and atheist.

I am agnostic, however I believe in a God/higher power/something greater, I do not believe is Jesus or any other man made claims of men communicating truths from God. However, I am still agnostic because until the end, I know nothing. It must be to confusing for the religion freaks with their mind's controlled into thinking everyone is either good or evil and there is no room for anything else. What can you do though, religions/myths come and go and were born whenever man cam into extistance, they change and evolve as well, then they fade into history as just another spiritual belief of the time. Buddha, Jesus, Pharaohs and the Pope will all be remembered like Zues and 'earth gods' are remembered today as a myth of the time in thousands of years' time.

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