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#241 TheRealDeal

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Posted 09 February 2011 - 11:44 AM

but teams did that to clausen/ moore because they were worried about double trouble and they still could not take advantage of the single match up.just give his carries to that BEAST back field we have.


There is a huge difference between college and NFL one on ones. You saw in the national championship game that his two TD passes were to wide open guys. Guys without anyone within 7 yards of them. There is more speed all over the NFL field and those swing passes don't work in the NFL. I wouldn't say we faced too many 8 man boxes this year.

no, i can careless what anybody else like. my problem is people bash this guy for the dumbest reason. he played in a 1 read offense but than you say he cant read defense. or he has questions about work ethic etc..... that is all bs.


Like Mav says below, it's not that we said he can't, just that he hasn't shown he can. Reading defenses is the hardest thing to do in the NFL and you are automatically assuming he can when he's shown no evidence of this. All we're saying is he needs to show it and it's difficult. You're assuming he can, which is just dumb.



First, not many of us think he can't read defenses, we just havent' seen evidence of him making multiple reads. That doesn't mean he is incapable of it, just that it is a learning curve, i.e., he is a project.


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#242 Snake

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Posted 09 February 2011 - 05:10 PM

Mizzou did NOT run an option offense. The type of spread that Missouri runs relies on totally different plays and play styles from it's quarterback compared to the offense Malzahn runs.

Edit: Honestly we'll need to develop any #1 we take. I think many people just feel that Fairley, Green, etc's impact will be greater sooner than Newton's would be.


Really trying to argue one system make a QB more prepared then another is not a good argument at all. Clausen came from a pro system and failed badly and Bradford and The Golden Calf of Bristol both came from gimmic systems and both did better. IMO if anything a pro offense hides flaws because IMO you would not get much better QB coach then charlie weis. Same goes for Carol at USC and we will see how much of an impact jim haughbaugh had on Luck next year.

#243 rippadonn

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Posted 09 February 2011 - 07:50 PM

The will to win is what determines success. That is the "it" that some of you are trying to analyze.

QB trumps all positions on the field. If you don't have one you ain't got nothing. They should go after the guy they think is the best QB and if we have a stable of QBs like we do running backs so be it, it's a good thing.

Don't be scared Panthers, pull the trigger!

#244 Mr. Scot

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Posted 09 February 2011 - 08:09 PM

Gruden tried that.

It didn't go so well.

#245 koolkatluke

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Posted 09 February 2011 - 08:09 PM

Really trying to argue one system make a QB more prepared then another is not a good argument at all. Clausen came from a pro system and failed badly and Bradford and The Golden Calf of Bristol both came from gimmic systems and both did better. IMO if anything a pro offense hides flaws because IMO you would not get much better QB coach then charlie weis. Same goes for Carol at USC and we will see how much of an impact jim haughbaugh had on Luck next year.


So The Golden Calf of Bristol sitting all year didn't help at all right?

#246 DaCityKats

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Posted 09 February 2011 - 08:19 PM

There is a huge difference between college and NFL one on ones. You saw in the national championship game that his two TD passes were to wide open guys. Guys without anyone within 7 yards of them. There is more speed all over the NFL field and those swing passes don't work in the NFL. I wouldn't say we faced too many 8 man boxes this year.


that was two passes. once again that same game he got a defender off of him stepped up in the pocket and hit a wr down field. the level is different but on any level you throw at the one vs one.we did face a lot of teams bringing extra guys in the box because they knew what our BnB was.


Like Mav says below, it's not that we said he can't, just that he hasn't shown he can. Reading defenses is the hardest thing to do in the NFL and you are automatically assuming he can when he's shown no evidence of this. All we're saying is he needs to show it and it's difficult. You're assuming he can, which is just dumb.

but to write him off makes no sense. you have to be coached up and the tape dont lie.our division is stacked with stud qbs.



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#247 panthers55

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Posted 09 February 2011 - 10:12 PM

Gruden tried that.

It didn't go so well.


It wouldn't have mattered how many quarterbacks Gruden picked or didn't pick. His issue was that he was a jerk to them, was constantly critical and never inspired confidence. Seemed all of them disliked him. He changed quarterbacks like he did his socks. In fact, Jake Plummer chose to retire instead of play for him.

It isn't how many QBs you have but what you do with the ones you have.

#248 King Taharqa

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Posted 09 February 2011 - 11:43 PM

Cam Newton gaining steam as draft's top QB


According to SI's Tony Pauline, at least six NFL teams are ranking Auburn's Cam Newton as the top quarterback prospect in the 2011 draft.

According to Pauline, those same teams (one identified as the Dolphins) have Newton "clearly higher" on their draft boards than Da'Quan Bowers, Nick Fairley, Marcell Dareus, and Blaine Gabbert. Newton obviously isn't a finished product, but there's no doubting his arm strength, accuracy, and athleticism. He'll work out in front of media in San Diego on Thursday.


http://nbcsports.msn...ts-player_news/

#249 mav1234

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Posted 09 February 2011 - 11:46 PM

I'm curious to see what happens on Thursday. He's obviously got a lot of the physical talents that are very impressive, so I'm not surprised there are teams that are after him... but not sure the Panthers will go after a qb #1.

wonder if we could entice the dolphins into moving up to #1 for some of their goodies, er, draft picks.

Edited by mav1234, 09 February 2011 - 11:48 PM.


#250 rippadonn

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Posted 10 February 2011 - 12:05 AM

We'd be stupid not to take the top player in the draft at QB, ignorant in fact, if this is the case.

This for Charlotte would be Kobe all over again.

#251 rippadonn

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Posted 10 February 2011 - 12:07 AM

His college coach said Newton was the "best player" he'd ever coached.

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Posted 10 February 2011 - 12:12 AM

This for Charlotte would be Kobe all over again.


I will hate the Hornets and Kobe for that reason alone forever.

#253 rippadonn

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Posted 10 February 2011 - 12:32 AM

He chose a great mentor, football wise anyway.

“It’s unheard of and it’s a dream come true just to be acknowledged and being able to talk and call Brett any time I feel like," Newton told 'NFL Total Access' on NFL Network.-

http://www.csmonitor...ng-to-a-minimum

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Posted 10 February 2011 - 12:35 AM

I need for him too go to the combine do all the workouts and take the wonderlic test. Before I'm ready too jump on the bandwagon.

#255 Snake

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Posted 10 February 2011 - 12:51 AM

So The Golden Calf of Bristol sitting all year didn't help at all right?


Guess we just forget about Bradford huh?


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