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#1 Mr. Scot

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Posted 09 February 2009 - 12:36 PM

I've looked over the "prayer" threads as they stand now. Can't say I'm interested in joining the back and forth bickering there. Frankly, some folks for whom I had respect on both sides of the argument disappoint me.

Instead, I'll frame a different question here, specifically for the non-religious.

Let's say you're in an absolutely desperate situation, in fear of your life or perhaps the life (or lives) of someone you love. Taking stock of the situation, you realize for certain there's absolutely nothing you can do to save yourself or your loved ones.

Do you offer up a prayer in the hope that maybe God will be there and grant you a miracle, or do you stick to your guns that there is no God or that prayer is futile and not bother?

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Posted 09 February 2009 - 12:39 PM

As an agnostic you can certainly think about it and hope. But I hear that there are no athiests in foxholes.....

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Posted 09 February 2009 - 12:41 PM

religion doesn't cross my mind except when i'm debating it. if there's nothing i can do i will keep trying to find something and continue fighting, not give up and leave it up to chance, which is what praying really is even if you believe in god.

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Posted 09 February 2009 - 12:42 PM

I think a popular answer would be - pray just in case. A common argument is that since God will forgive you, just save up all your sins and repent at the last min.

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Posted 09 February 2009 - 12:44 PM

do christians pray to zeus and buddha and vishnu "just in case?"

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Posted 09 February 2009 - 01:31 PM

do christians pray to zeus and buddha and vishnu "just in case?"




:rolleyes:

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Posted 09 February 2009 - 01:51 PM

I've looked over the "prayer" threads as they stand now. Can't say I'm interested in joining the back and forth bickering there. Frankly, some folks for whom I had respect on both sides of the argument disappoint me.

Instead, I'll frame a different question here, specifically for the non-religious.

Let's say you're in an absolutely desperate situation, in fear of your life or perhaps the life (or lives) of someone you love. Taking stock of the situation, you realize for certain there's absolutely nothing you can do to save yourself or your loved ones.

Do you offer up a prayer in the hope that maybe God will be there and grant you a miracle, or do you stick to your guns that there is no God or that prayer is futile and not bother?


It's impossible(for me at least) to speculate on such a dramatic and intense situation when not currently in that situation. I'd love to say that I'd have nerves of steel and be able to handle anything. But who knows?

I was in a near death car accident 6 years, pinned inside of an upside down car, bleeding profusely from my head and other places on my body, unable to move hardly at all, with broken ribs and vertabrae... and I was too busy trying to figure out how I was going to get out of the car to take a moment to offer up a prayer to someone I was unsure even existed.

I'm agnostic... I have sooo many questions and uncertainties regarding Christianity, due to my upbringing and experiences in and out of the church. I will say that the church, if nothing else, teaches good moral values to kids, which is the reason why I take my son to church on Sundays... I know his mother does not, so it falls upon me to at least give him the opportunity to experience the church/religion and make his own decisions... and don't voice any of my doubts or questions to him.

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Posted 09 February 2009 - 02:21 PM

I had a lot of time in the hospital this past summer and fall. One night was really a wreck emotionally for me - no one had any idea what was wrong with me, I could not sleep at all, and, unusually, no one was coming in every half an hour to poke me with something.

It gives you a lot of time to reflect on questions like these, and really think hard about the potential for the more spiritual ideas to indeed have some solid roots.

What I discovered in a real, visceral way is that people do indeed have an intense need to believe in something when hope in the natural world fades. It is human nature to want to survive, and human nature will invent hope if none exists. I let myself get mentally sloppy a bit and play the "what if" game, but in the end it all came back to my core convictions that there is no proof, and if God exists then He may as well have created just me, and then a "world" around me to interact with to see what happens. That's an incredibly selfish thought, so I also choose not to believe drivel like that as well.

All I know is what I know, and all I believe is open for change. So far I've seen a few reasons to change and an awful lot not to.

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Posted 09 February 2009 - 02:24 PM

No question.....I am praying like a muthaf*cka!

(and asking for forgiveness for having such a filthy mouth)

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Posted 09 February 2009 - 02:28 PM

being a non-believer...i just whip my junk out and stroke one out,if the end is near...im going out happy