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Matt Foley

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they're completely inseparable. The clinics won't be built unless there is a need to treat disease there. doctors and nurses won't be paid unless there is a mandate from the top. money goes into books, pamphlets, billboards, ad campaigns. This all has to be printed, designed, distributed by people.

No, they're not. How are any of those things exclusive to Sex Ed Clinics? You could theoretically insert any business in the history of the world and they would still need all those things, meaning buildings, printing, utilities etc.

of course these jobs don't exist. Right now they can only come in the form of a mandate from the federal government.

you've failed to address any of my points directly.

the clinics and green jobs aren't related at all.

Yeah, well, meanwhile back in reality, your entire argument seems to be one that STD Clinics are the single greatest catalyst for economic growth known to man.

I say they are superflous at this point, and won't immediately and directly create jobs, especially new ones. And if they do, I'd say there are countless other ways for us to spend the money that we can see a quantitative and immediate result, i.e. infrastructure and public works.

in response to you saying that you weren't in favor of green investment unless it created blue collar jobs, I simply compared it to a massive research investment that led to thousands of blue collar jobs.

i was trying to politely point out the horrible flaw in your reasoning, not trying to imply that you were against nuclear power.

since you failed or refused to acknowledge that flaw, allow me to be more blunt.

Not sure if it's your attempt at circular logic or just misreading what I wrote, but you seem to have merged my stance on spending

$400 million for research into global warming
with your assumed belief that I'm against investing money in Nuclear Power Plants. So allow me to be more blunt:

I AM IN FAVOR OF BUILDING NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS BECAUSE OF THE GRAND SIZE AND SCALE OF THE PROJECT MEANING COUNTLESS NEW AND OLD JOBS WOULD BE NEEDED AND THE RESULT WOULD BE THAT WE COULD BECOME MORE GREEN AND THAT WE COULD STOP YELLING !!!!!!!!!!!!1!!!!!!!!!!1!!

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well, it's also because the actual lending institutions were the ones that were on the brink of collapse.

if you give a bunch of direct loans to people that perceive the lending institutions as the evil ones, they're surely not going to go and give that money back. they're going to move into a rental situation and keep their money under a mattress.

however, if you give the money back to the lending institutions, implement strict, almost draconian supervision and regulation, and force the people to work through those banks, you save both, plus gradually restore consumer confidence with the system.

The banks were forced to lend to people who couldn't afford the loans ....

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however, if you give the money back to the lending institutions, implement strict, almost draconian supervision and regulation, and force the people to work through those banks, you save both, plus gradually restore consumer confidence with the system.

This is one of the BIG problems though is that there is no strict oversight of this money, at least there hasn't been...

Oops, where'd that $800 billion go? Oh well, the banks have it, they won't screw us... :(

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You two drama queens are ruining my thread. Out! Out, I say!

You have the worst screen name in the history of the internets.

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You have the worst screen name in the history of the internets.

That's impossible. There's some asshat who calls himself Carolina Husker out there.

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Stimulus= Pork so whatever is in there is already pork.

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The idea of injecting money into the economy actually means.....putting money into the economy. The way to do that is in fact, to pay for things like building infrastructure which employs road crews, construction workers...maybe even Joe the Plumber could benefit somehow.

I guess we could convert the stimulus package into Chuck E Cheese tokens instead.....

dude no. you cant spend your way out of a recession...japan had proven that to the world during the 90's. All the jobs you stated above are government jobs. Money that goes into the government is worthless...all it does is create bigger government, hense creating socialism. The private sector is what keeps this country afloat, not the government.

The CBO said that doing nothing would be more beneficial than imposing this socialist spending bill. the dems are on their way to bankrupting this country for generations to come.

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The banks were forced to lend to people who couldn't afford the loans ....

I wouldn't say forced but banks had their reasons to give sub-prime mortgages and the gov played a part in that.

Banks were able to hedge the risk of those loans with various derivatives(the main culprit being credit default swaps). But those aren't regulated and people seemed to forget that a derivative is only as good as it's underlier. The industry lined up a bunch of dominoes that only needed one to fall.

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The banks were forced to lend to people who couldn't afford the loans ....

What??? Do you seriously believe that?? The banks were forced to lend to these people?????? OMG... that is hilarious. The banks were falling over themselves selling sub-prime loans. I know. I'm in the industry. Every aspect of the lending process had their hands dirty. Trust me, the banks weren't forced to do anything.

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