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#181 teeray

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Posted 28 February 2011 - 10:11 AM

I think anyone who says that they are right that Cam needs some work and that others haven't been saying that as well on both sides of the argument are not only tooting their horn but ignoring the fact that everyone has been saying he needs work. The question isn't whether he is a raw product but how hard he will work to fix things, how long it will take to fix things and whether you are looking for a quick fix or a long term solution to our problem.

The argument he won't be ready this year is a valid one, he won't be especially if the lockout draws out. So absolutely, picking him, means he wouldn't be ready to start befiore 2012. And that would require that you don't stash him as your third QB and ignore giving him reps and working with him.

If you want a guy who will ready sooner, than Locker would be a good choice. Gabbert is up in the air as he wussed out of the combine and football is about what you have done lately and how you rise in the face of competition.

But passing on a QB still means you are working with a rookie in 2012 who is lilkely not Luck unless we really suck next year as well and there are no guarantees the other guys will be better than the bunch this year. SO the waiting a year or two arguments makes less sense in that you are just putting off the decision another year rather than do the best you can do right now.
The question is do we think a guy like Newton will be our guy in a year or two or do we think that waiting will somehow give us better results and we can get an impact guy this yearat another position. That is certainly a valid strategy.

For me though I would work with Newton to get him ready for 2012 when he can be an impact player and our franchise guy versus waiting for another year and then still drafting a project at QB and being a year or two away. I think with a decent FA vet who can do a Rodney Peete and we can be 8-8 this year, we can groom the long term starter for 2012. Is this the only way to go? No, just how I want to see it go.


:iagree: :iagree: :iagree: Well said. I haven't said once that he should start on day 1. As a matter of fact I have caught heat for suggesting that Clausen should start again opening day next season.

His issue wasn't as much his accuracy as it was his footwork. Especially on the outs. He was slow getting back and therefore was rushing his throw and having to throw the ball with more rpm's. If he were able to get his drop right he would've been able to relax and take a little off the ball and been a little more accurate.

Would I have liked for him to have aced it?? Sure. But frankly he was about where I thought he would be.

He still has a pro day and a day with potential teams. And I don't think his combine was as bad as some people think.

My main contention isn't that he is pro ready like Luck. My feeling is his upside is the highest we have seen since Vick. And also higher than Luck's.

I will say what GM's said about Vick rings true with Cam:

If he hits you will win 3-4 super bowls, if he doesn't you will be unemployed.

I would be willing to take that risk, and it is my belief that the Panthers should.

If we don't draft a QB we still will get a really good player and we will be fine. But it likely forfeits at least the next two seasons (instead of possibly just one) to mediocrity at best.

Especially in the NFC South.

Edited by teeray, 28 February 2011 - 10:16 AM.


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Posted 28 February 2011 - 10:16 AM

So people say it takes at least 3 years to really judge a QB, yet you are certain Moore can't handle the pressure after a game and a half?


I'm pretty sure this will be Moore's 4th year, if he makes the roster, so last year was his third in the league...he should have been ready. I still think he can be a pretty good QB, but I don't think it will be here and I don't think he will be a full time starter.

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Posted 28 February 2011 - 10:22 AM

I'm pretty sure this will be Moore's 4th year, if he makes the roster, so last year was his third in the league...he should have been ready. I still think he can be a pretty good QB, but I don't think it will be here and I don't think he will be a full time starter.


My point was you need to watch a QB for 3 years to truly evaluate him is what most experts say yet you are evaluating Moore based on a game and a half. IMO doesn't matter if it was his 3th year or his 6th, can't judge based on a game and a half.

A game and a half isn't enough to tell if he was ready.

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Posted 28 February 2011 - 10:52 AM

My point was you need to watch a QB for 3 years to truly evaluate him is what most experts say yet you are evaluating Moore based on a game and a half. IMO doesn't matter if it was his 3th year or his 6th, can't judge based on a game and a half.

A game and a half isn't enough to tell if he was ready.


I for one would be interested to see how Moore does in a new offense.

I defended Jake for three years because I felt his troubles were not completely his own. Jeff Davidson had a lot to do with that.

The same should be said for Moore. Clausen I have other issues with and I'm not sure he can overcome them. But Moore is intriguing.

We still shouldn't wait around and not address the QB position, but if we sign a FA I kinda hope it is Moore.

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Posted 28 February 2011 - 11:18 AM

So I just watched the QB workouts and one guy who really impressed me who I'd never heard of is Josh Portis from Division II California University of Pennsylvania. He was hitting throws with ease and looked real comfortable doing it.

Might not be a bad option for a late round flyer...


Portis and Cam Newton share a common thread, they were both one time Gators. IIRC, he transferred to Maryland before Cal U PA

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Posted 28 February 2011 - 11:34 AM

McElroy aces the Wonderlic:

Former Alabama quarterback Greg McElroy, who led the Crimson Tide to the national championship a year before Newton did it with the Tigers, aced his Wonderlic test, according to the Fort Worth Star-Telegram. The exam is used to test players' mental aptitude, and McElroy correctly answered 48 of the 50 questions correctly in the 12-minute allotted timeframe.

Read more: http://www.sportingn...e#ixzz1FGvtPzXa

really not a big deal, but yeah. It's QB news. =P

#187 TheRealDeal

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Posted 28 February 2011 - 11:57 AM

McElroy aces the Wonderlic:

Read more: http://www.sportingn...e#ixzz1FGvtPzXa

really not a big deal, but yeah. It's QB news. =P


Have you ever seen some of the questions? It amazes me how many more people don't do well. But I guess that's why they are athletes and not accountants right?