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#106 Swarly

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 02:12 PM

What difference does it make if a QB is not used to the WR's he's throwing to at the combine anyway? When these guys get in the NFL, they will be doing scripted drills and running scripted plays with the same WR's every day...just like that media only workout Cam held, and just like they will all be doing when they have their pro days.

And as far as reading defenses goes, I would love to know how many times JC, who was said to have an elite football IQ by the scouts, actually completed passes to his 2nd or 3rd read. I doubt it happend more than 5-6 times in all the snaps he took for the Panthers.


It doesn't make a difference. The simple fact is Cam was not good this weekend. He was inaccurate, had horrible timing/touch, bad mechanics, you name it. It's something most of us expected to see based on what we saw from him in college football(not just highlight reels lol); that he is a high risk(I won't lie, high reward too) PROJECT pick. A lot of Cam fans keep making excuses for him like the guy is perfect and never makes mistakes. Is it that hard to take a step back and admit the guy needs a LOT of work to be a successful NFL quarterback?

Way too many question marks to be considered for #1 overall. Why not just get Vince Young? Comparable athlete? Yep. Much more dominant in college? You know it. Has actually won games in the NFL? Yep! Cost a #1 overall pick? NOPE.

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 02:17 PM

It doesn't make a difference. The simple fact is Cam was not good this weekend. He was inaccurate, had horrible timing/touch, bad mechanics, you name it. It's something most of us expected to see based on what we saw from him in college football(not just highlight reels lol); that he is a high risk(I won't lie, high reward too) PROJECT pick. A lot of Cam fans keep making excuses for him like the guy is perfect and never makes mistakes. Is it that hard to take a step back and admit the guy needs a LOT of work to be a successful NFL quarterback?

Way too many question marks to be considered for #1 overall. Why not just get Vince Young? Comparable athlete? Yep. Much more dominant in college? You know it. Has actually won games in the NFL? Yep! Cost a #1 overall pick? NOPE.


combine is pointless......

Cam's biggest strengths as a QB weren't even on display. His ability to extend plays.....and make them with his legs is HUGE.

Cam could start week 1 for a team and we could start Clausen week 1......and I would be willing to bet Cam allows his offense to be more productive. Cam is a project....but he would be better than Clausen or Pike.

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 02:21 PM

What difference does it make if a QB is not used to the WR's he's throwing to at the combine anyway? When these guys get in the NFL, they will be doing scripted drills and running scripted plays with the same WR's every day...just like that media only workout Cam held, and just like they will all be doing when they have their pro days.

And as far as reading defenses goes, I would love to know how many times JC, who was said to have an elite football IQ by the scouts, actually completed passes to his 2nd or 3rd read. I doubt it happend more than 5-6 times in all the snaps he took for the Panthers.


That is not the point and I am starting to see a trend with you :(

Nothing wrong with struggling with timing at the combine.

There is a problem saying that you were surprised that it would be an issue. Essentially he has admitted he wasn't as well prepared for it as he should have been, or basically saying he didn't expect it to be an issue before he started throwing.

You also need to stop saying, 'well such and such doesn't do it so it isn't a big issue'. News flash, sadly Clausen isn't the poster child for success as a young QB in the NFL. So saying that he hardly did it is irrelevant.

The point is, that to truly succeed, he will need to do this and coming from his simple offense at Auburn it is only accentuated. There is absolutely no evidence that he can even run a more traditional offense, let alone a complex one. Then add in that there is very little evidence of him making any consistent timing routes or reading underneath coverage to find the intermediate routes.

Essentially he is all potential. His running will be seriously scaled back due to his running style, so he will have to progress as a passer to succeed.

Lack of preparation (slip ups in interviews & not being prepared for timing issues) and little evidence of him as a passer scares me a lot. That said the FO will get closer to these guys than we ever will an as such will have a much better appreciation for the person, the player and the future of Cam Newton.

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 02:25 PM

Way too many question marks to be considered for #1 overall. Why not just get Vince Young? Comparable athlete? Yep. Much more dominant in college? You know it. Has actually won games in the NFL? Yep! Cost a #1 overall pick? NOPE.


That is so stupid I mean seriously, do you hate Cam that much. Are you forgetting He won a national championship and the Heisman Trophy. C'Mon man.

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 02:25 PM

combine is pointless......

Cam's biggest strengths as a QB weren't even on display. His ability to extend plays.....and make them with his legs is HUGE.

Cam could start week 1 for a team and we could start Clausen week 1......and I would be willing to bet Cam allows his offense to be more productive. Cam is a project....but he would be better than Clausen or Pike.


Starting him week 1 will be a huge mistake.

He will probably win a few games, but his development as a QB will be stunted, as he will be playing on instinct (to run) rather than on good practice.

Give him the first year off, get him working hard on his footwork, his preparation and the mental side of the game and he might be about ready in the 2nd year.

Look at any sport that requires certain skill sets (tennis, golf etc) and as soon as you are under pressure old tendencies start to creep in. this is only exemplified when you are making adjustments to your game, as you are thinking faster than your limited training can keep up. the result is the instincts coming in again.

He needs proper practice to be fed into his game so that it becomes his instinct, otherwise he will be tucking and running more often than not.

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 02:26 PM

It doesn't make a difference. The simple fact is Cam was not good this weekend. He was inaccurate, had horrible timing/touch, bad mechanics, you name it. It's something most of us expected to see based on what we saw from him in college football(not just highlight reels lol); that he is a high risk(I won't lie, high reward too) PROJECT pick. A lot of Cam fans keep making excuses for him like the guy is perfect and never makes mistakes. Is it that hard to take a step back and admit the guy needs a LOT of work to be a successful NFL quarterback?

Way too many question marks to be considered for #1 overall. Why not just get Vince Young? Comparable athlete? Yep. Much more dominant in college? You know it. Has actually won games in the NFL? Yep! Cost a #1 overall pick? NOPE.


Dude, the only pass Cam even had a problem with, was the out, and his third one to the right side was a good throw, but the WR fell down coming out of his break, so it was incomplete. People are making waaaay too much out of this.

Nobody ever said that he makes no mistakes...we're saying that most of his mistakes are correctable because it's about 90% footwork, which he will be working on every single day during mini camps and TC.

I'm not saying that the Panthers will pick him either, but I'm positive that they are considering it more closely than some people seem to think, because they know that footwork and anticipating a throw can be mastered with repitition, but you can't teach JC to be taller, bigger, faster, or improve his arm strength.

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 02:30 PM

Kennypowers30 should lose all credibility when making a statement like "Much more dominant in college? You know it."

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 02:50 PM

Yeah, you can't get any more dominant than Cam was in college. He carried Auburn on his back all season long. I can't remember who it was now, but somebody stated that he was farther along as a QB than Vince Young was coming out of college.

Also, wasn't there a tread about VY a while back that had quotes from his teammates who said he still didn't know the playbook, even after 3 years?

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Posted 01 March 2011 - 02:56 PM

Starting him week 1 will be a huge mistake.

He will probably win a few games, but his development as a QB will be stunted, as he will be playing on instinct (to run) rather than on good practice.

Give him the first year off, get him working hard on his footwork, his preparation and the mental side of the game and he might be about ready in the 2nd year.

Look at any sport that requires certain skill sets (tennis, golf etc) and as soon as you are under pressure old tendencies start to creep in. this is only exemplified when you are making adjustments to your game, as you are thinking faster than your limited training can keep up. the result is the instincts coming in again.

He needs proper practice to be fed into his game so that it becomes his instinct, otherwise he will be tucking and running more often than not.


I agree. I was just trying to once again accurately explain how bad Clausen is in a vertical passing attack.

If they draft Cam a vet should start the majority of the season and only insert Cam if they feel he is ready for live experience and then only if the team isn't competing for a playoff spot. There is tons of talent in Carolina...much more than people on this board give credit thanks to the Fox/Clausen clusterflizuck resulting in 2 wins. A decent vet could have this team competitive........we couldn't compete for a spot if everyone in the division was 100% healthy though. But this is the NFL and you can never predict how anything plays out.

Edited by CRA, 01 March 2011 - 03:02 PM.


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Posted 01 March 2011 - 03:01 PM

I agree. I was just trying to once again accurately explain how bad Clausen is in a vertical passing attack.

If they draft Cam a vet should start the majority of the season and only insert Cam if they feel he is ready for live experience.


Another Cam support who would give Cam seasons to develop....but will discard Clausen after being thrown to the wolves on a bad team.

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