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#106 JeramiahCopperfield

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 07:01 PM

They are smart to unionize and not let the owners run them over. How much of a percentage they deserve is debatable of course. Same thing with SAG and Hollywood. If it wasn't for the unions the light and makeup people would not do nearly as well as they do. And Hollywood still does fine.

You can't offshore the NFL, so they should stick it to the corporation. Corporations hate anyone that hurts their profit.

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 07:08 PM

Trickle down doesn't just mean that people with more money spend it on those who don't- it's a system where someone who was poor last year can be in that top 1% you whine about this year. They can do it by working hard, investing, inventing something, or yes, just getting lucky. The system you strive for where money is forcefully taken to try create fairness just results is mass mediocrity. Give me the occasional abuses of a hedge fund guy making $4billion over all of us having $45,000 and fighting over bread and milk any day.


Again, a child-like simplification of economics. If it isn't pure capitalism, then it's pure socialism. Guess what? We don't have a purely capitalistic system, and have never had one. It's a mix of good ideas. It's not black and white. Stop reducing it all to, a $45,000 government handout every year.

Also, read this article that BruceBrewski posted in his thread:

http://www.carolinah...cle-on-cba.html

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 07:10 PM

no where in my post did I say or indicate rich people/owners were evil.. those are not my choice or words, they are yours... whenever someone chooses to demonize the opinion they dont agree with it cheapens any chance at real discussion

I am saying I agree with the players and not the owners.. why are the players ridiculed for wanting more but the owners wanting more is them "just being good business men"


simple answer: the Owners own, its their Private Property and shouldn't be coerced away by those who are employees to take more than they are worth in the market. Players have no equity in the NFL, yet are trying to(in some cases are) the highest paid people from the NFL.


The Owners take ALL THE RISK, the Players take NONE of the Business/Economic risk, say we are really going into High Inflationary(see latest gas and food prices) and another Great Depression(they are possible historically you know). And the Owners sign on to a bad deal then the Depression hits, Gas/Food and lack of jobs mean people are forced to stop buying the NFL Product, Revenues plummet....yet the Owners are locked into a bad deal and Forced to Pay out huge amounts of money to the Players anyway because they would have to honor the contracts(which players often times don't themselves). Recipe to go bankruptcy.

Edited by jpniner, 04 March 2011 - 07:17 PM.


#109 JeramiahCopperfield

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 07:13 PM

simple answer: the Owners own, its their Private Property and shouldn't be coerced by those who are employees to take more than they are worth in the market. Players have no equity in the NFL, yet are trying to(in some cases are) the highest paid people from the NFL.


The Owners take ALL THE RISK, the Players take NONE of the Business/Economic risk, say we are really going into High Inflationary(see latest gas and food prices) and another Great Depression(they are possible historically you know). And the Owners sign on to a bad deal then the Depression hits, Gas/Food and lack of jobs mean people are forced to stop buying the NFL Product, Revenues plummet....yet the Owners are locked into a bad deal and Forced to Pay out huge amounts of money to the Players anyway because they would have to honor the contracts(which players often times don't themselves). Recipe to go bankruptcy.


NFL being popular is the biggest no brainer of all time. It doesn't matter if gas is $10 a gallon and the currency implodes. The proles will still somehow support their team.

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 07:16 PM

They are smart to unionize and not let the owners run them over. How much of a percentage they deserve is debatable of course. Same thing with SAG and Hollywood. If it wasn't for the unions the light and makeup people would not do nearly as well as they do. And Hollywood still does fine.

You can't offshore the NFL, so they should stick it to the corporation. Corporations hate anyone that hurts their profit.


so a pro-union, pro-coercion post with a Ron Paul avatar???

While I think this man is a nut of epic proportions in alot of ways, you do realize he is about as much of a 180 from what you just posted as it comes right???

#111 jpniner

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 07:19 PM

if Gas is $10 and a Loaf of Bread is $10, nobody will have money to spend on the NFL no matter how much they want too. Doesn't matter how popular the NFL currently is, Math would get in the way of wants.

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 07:20 PM

The actual teams may not make that much money (Packers only made 9 million)

Let's also remember that there is revenue sharing for all 32 teams. Every time a jersey is sold or a commercial appears on tv when watching football the NFL makes tons of money off that. So the NFL is making money period.

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 07:24 PM

if Gas is $10 and a Loaf of Bread is $10, nobody will have money to spend on the NFL no matter how much they want too. Doesn't matter how popular the NFL currently is, Math would get in the way of wants.


Debt.

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 07:26 PM

simple answer: the Owners own, its their Private Property and shouldn't be coerced away by those who are employees to take more than they are worth in the market. Players have no equity in the NFL, yet are trying to(in some cases are) the highest paid people from the NFL.


The Owners take ALL THE RISK, the Players take NONE of the Business/Economic risk, say we are really going into High Inflationary(see latest gas and food prices) and another Great Depression(they are possible historically you know). And the Owners sign on to a bad deal then the Depression hits, Gas/Food and lack of jobs mean people are forced to stop buying the NFL Product, Revenues plummet....yet the Owners are locked into a bad deal and Forced to Pay out huge amounts of money to the Players anyway because they would have to honor the contracts(which players often times don't themselves). Recipe to go bankruptcy.


How many times has this exact thing been posted. Owners take 'all' the risk so they deserve everything. What a moronic notion. PLEASE read this article, seriously, please.

http://sports.espn.g...=simmons/110304

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 07:26 PM

if Gas is $10 and a Loaf of Bread is $10, nobody will have money to spend on the NFL no matter how much they want too. Doesn't matter how popular the NFL currently is, Math would get in the way of wants.


I would make my own bread, work from home, and take the train to stadium. :)

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 09:53 PM

How many times has this exact thing been posted. Owners take 'all' the risk so they deserve everything. What a moronic notion. PLEASE read this article, seriously, please.

http://sports.espn.g...=simmons/110304


If you are taking this article as gospel, then you clearly believe in editorialism as opposed to journalism.

Riddle me this Batman... if the NFL is doing so completely gangbusters, then why did the Green Bay Packers only net $9 million the previous year?

Since we're in the mode of "if it's on the interweb it MUST be true" stint, take a read of this one:

http://www.bloomberg...abor-talks.html

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 11:13 PM

Trickle down doesn't just mean that people with more money spend it on those who don't- it's a system where someone who was poor last year can be in that top 1% you whine about this year. They can do it by working hard, investing, inventing something, or yes, just getting lucky. The system you strive for where money is forcefully taken to try create fairness just results is mass mediocrity. Give me the occasional abuses of a hedge fund guy making $4billion over all of us having $45,000 and fighting over bread and milk any day.


Trickle Down does not create the system that makes someone poor rich.. Capitalism does.. Trickle Down by definition must start at the top in order to.. wait for it... trickle DOWN... learn basic economics before you try to correct someone on it

your logic is flawed.. either billionaires get more billions or we all get 45,000 and fight over bread and milk? your arguments swings wildly from extremes and still fails to make any real point

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 11:39 PM

simple answer: the Owners own, its their Private Property and shouldn't be coerced away by those who are employees to take more than they are worth in the market. Players have no equity in the NFL, yet are trying to(in some cases are) the highest paid people from the NFL.


indeed the answer is simple: get from your employer what they are willing to pay

so many people are noble when it comes to other people's lives/money, tell me Sir.. when is the last time you asked your employer to pay you less? its only fair since your employer is the owner right? I dont know you, but I venture to say you have NEVER asked for a pay cut

I can see it now.. Noble Jpniner enters his employers office and says, "Sir, there may be a recession or depression in the future and I think I should get paid less JUST in case that happens"

your logic is hilarious

Edited by PrimeTyme, 04 March 2011 - 11:44 PM.


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Posted 04 March 2011 - 11:41 PM

indeed the answer is simple: get from your employer what they are willing to pay

so many people are noble when it comes to other people's lives/money, tell me Sir.. when is the last time you asked your employer to pay you less? its only fair since your employer is the owner? I dont know you, but I venture to say you have NEVER asked for a pay cut


This. Just give the players smaller contracts. If your willing to give players a million per game, they will take it. If you don't wanna pay that much then don't.

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Posted 05 March 2011 - 12:05 AM

Once again, subtlety is not your forte... next time I will write it out this way for you:

Me dun pickin on weetahds fo dee naht


yeah you and JR only act like slobbering morons in public just to throw everyone off :lol: