Jump to content





Photo
- - - - -

So a CB hasn't been drafted first overall, fine...


This topic has been archived. This means that you cannot reply to this topic.
116 replies to this topic

#106 rodeo

rodeo

    Keelah se'lai

  • Joined: 24-November 08
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • posts: 17,034
  • Reputation: 5,125
HUDDLER

Posted 04 March 2011 - 06:54 PM

let's trade down so we can address none of our needs with top quality players.

#107 blackcatgrowl

blackcatgrowl

    Trolls live here

  • Joined: 06-January 10
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • posts: 6,944
  • Reputation: 3
HUDDLER

Posted 04 March 2011 - 07:32 PM

Especially when next years stock appears more talented.


This has been said several times since Luck stayed in school.

I'm gonna throw this out there....

You can NOT judge a draft class a whole year out.

People get hurt, their weaknesses get exposed, they flounder with a change of receivers or coaches....

:nonod:

We need to focus on what we can do NOW in the Draft and Free Agency.

The Panthers picked up Shockey... a surprise for sure, and it may or may not workout... but it's damn sure a step in the right direction over how we haven't been bringing in veterans for the past couple years.

If this is Rivera's doing, in prodding Hurney to make a move for vet talent, then he is already a head above Fox.

Again, I'm not against bringing in a GOOD veteran (like Palmer).

#108 jarhead

jarhead

    Senior Member

  • Joined: 24-May 10
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • posts: 4,649
  • Reputation: 999
HUDDLER

Posted 04 March 2011 - 07:52 PM

Yeah but I think you are forgetting that DT is the safe pick :hand:


I disagree...I think PP is not only the best at his position but is the safest pick on the board.I think Darius would be a good pick as well.He is the best all round cb I have seen in a long time.

#109 jayflip

jayflip

    vaya con dios

  • Joined: 09-December 08
  • posts: 3,040
  • Reputation: 1,594
SUPPORTER

Posted 04 March 2011 - 08:01 PM

The rationale for why a corner has never been taken first in the draft is that they can be too easily schemed around and taken out of the game. If you overload the corner's side with an over and under route and send a running back in the flat, he can't cover everybody.

A DT is involved on every play and while you can double him, you are having to game plan for him all day. A corner isn't even involved on plays to the opposite side of the field.


While this statement is true, I must ask you this: if PrimeTime was a rookie coming out this year, with the number one pick, would you still pick Nick Fairley???

#110 jayflip

jayflip

    vaya con dios

  • Joined: 09-December 08
  • posts: 3,040
  • Reputation: 1,594
SUPPORTER

Posted 04 March 2011 - 08:04 PM

I would take the Packers secondary over the Jets every day of the week.


Revis was THE reason they beat the chargers two years back in the playoffs...

#111 Swarly

Swarly

    MichaelJordanLaughing.gif

  • Joined: 21-October 09
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • posts: 4,221
  • Reputation: 5
HUDDLER

Posted 04 March 2011 - 08:10 PM

and that's a shame. it would really suck to strike out on two qb's in consecutive years, that would be more a shame. Especially when next years stock appears more talented.


Even without Andrew Luck next years QB class is a lot more talented.

I know some of the Newton fans think that none of us "haters" want to take a QB because we're still holding out hope for Luck, but that's not the case(for me at least). If we don't end up with the #1 pick next season(odds are we won't) we'll still be able to get a better QB than any in this draft.

#112 Jackofalltrades

Jackofalltrades

    OWN the Line of Scrimmage

  • Joined: 26-November 08
  • posts: 18,756
  • Reputation: 6,774
SUPPORTER

Posted 04 March 2011 - 08:15 PM

and that's a shame. it would really suck to strike out on two qb's in consecutive years, that would be more a shame. Especially when next years stock appears more talented.


That's why you don't piss it away on QB either.

Dareus.

#113 teeray

teeray

    THE SWAGNIFICENT

  • Joined: 10-January 11
  • posts: 17,704
  • Reputation: 9,518
SUPPORTER

Posted 04 March 2011 - 09:31 PM

Even without Andrew Luck next years QB class is a lot more talented.

I know some of the Newton fans think that none of us "haters" want to take a QB because we're still holding out hope for Luck, but that's not the case(for me at least). If we don't end up with the #1 pick next season(odds are we won't) we'll still be able to get a better QB than any in this draft.


I keep hearing that "next year's class is SO MUCH BETTER. I don't know why. Out of all the QBs that could come out next year it is my opinion that NOBODY except of course Luck is a much better prospect than Ryan Mallett.

Mallett is rated by most people, what, around 4th in this year's class. and projected late first round or early second round.

Mallett out performed Barkley by a landslide in every major category (they were about even in completion percentage) this past season and did so against top flight competition in a pro style offense. He has a stronger arm, is more accurate, and both had 12 interceptions last year. I have seen plenty of games where Barkley made just as many bad decisions if not more than Mallett last season.

So how, if this year's #4 QB outperformed next years supposed #2 QB all season against top talent in a pro style offense, am I supposed to be convinced that next year's talent is better?? I'm not.

The only way that this year's class is suddenly deemed not as good as next year's is because Luck is a safer prospect than Cam or Gabbert. But that isn't enough to claim that he entire class is somehow superior to this year's class.

To me, unless we are picking Luck next year we are going to be in a position to have to make just as difficult a decision next year as we do this year about what QB to draft. The only difference is we would have wasted another year.

#114 Mother Grabber

Mother Grabber

    Gettlemagic 2.0

  • Joined: 22-March 09
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • posts: 14,950
  • Reputation: 3,946
HUDDLER

Posted 04 March 2011 - 09:47 PM

Emtman was a bad ass, for the 2 games he actually made it on the field.

#115 chef17

chef17

    Senior Asshole

  • Joined: 28-December 08
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • posts: 3,504
  • Reputation: 105
HUDDLER

Posted 04 March 2011 - 09:59 PM

Revis was THE reason they beat the chargers two years back in the playoffs...


CB is never the sole reason any team wins. And even if this was true, Packers secondary helped them win a superbowl. Yeah I would still take the Packers secondary.

#116 monstercat

monstercat

    Senior Member

  • Joined: 26-November 08
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • posts: 5,961
  • Reputation: 0
HUDDLER

Posted 05 March 2011 - 08:50 AM

Even without Andrew Luck next years QB class is a lot more talented.

I know some of the Newton fans think that none of us "haters" want to take a QB because we're still holding out hope for Luck, but that's not the case(for me at least). If we don't end up with the #1 pick next season(odds are we won't) we'll still be able to get a better QB than any in this draft.


Even if you're right about the talent, and I'm not completely convinced of that outside of Luck, how can you guarantee that we will be in a position to draft one of them? That's my big worry.

I wonder how many times Dolphins fans have claimed that next year's QB class will be better, since Marino retired? How about Buffalo? Who was the Saints last franchise QB before Brees? How long have the 49ers been looking for the next Montana or Young? If it was as easy as "well we will get a QB next year" then everybody should get their guy within 3 years after losing their last franchise QB. Unfortunately though, it's not that easy because 31 other teams have a say in who is drafted and in what order, and there are usually only 1-2 QB's worth trading up for and there is always more than 1-2 teams that need a QB.

#117 jarhead

jarhead

    Senior Member

  • Joined: 24-May 10
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • posts: 4,649
  • Reputation: 999
HUDDLER

Posted 05 March 2011 - 12:29 PM

The rationale for why a corner has never been taken first in the draft is that they can be too easily schemed around and taken out of the game. If you overload the corner's side with an over and under route and send a running back in the flat, he can't cover everybody.

A DT is involved on every play and while you can double him, you are having to game plan for him all day. A corner isn't even involved on plays to the opposite side of the field.


I completely agree with you but this guy in my opinion is an absolute freak.He could be switched up to cover either the slot or wr.He could also be used like Woodson in GB which would keep him involved in more plays and blitzes.In addition he is a great punt and kickoff returner.What I like most is he is a ball hawk.He reminds me a bit of a physcial Deon Sanders.It is a bit of a stretch with the first pick but if it were me I would take him if our franchise qb does not emerge.