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#16 SCP

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Posted 11 February 2009 - 04:35 PM

You're right. Dems have a great track record.

#17 chris999

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Posted 11 February 2009 - 06:31 PM

i dont have a problem with a bill that is meant to stimulate job growth. the problem is that this isnt what is going on. this bill is filled with poo like health care incentives and socialist programs that the democrats have wanted to pass for decades. then they have the audacity to lump it all to gether and call it "economy stimulous"

I mean... sadly the average american isnt very smart compared to europeans, but seriously, this is a smack in the face of every american, that they acually think we are stupid enough to not see what is going on here.

i hope not a single republican votes for this bill, that way when the democrats end up being dragged through the mud on this one, the Pubs will take back over and introduce some fiscal responsibility.

I am 28 years old, and I am the one who will be paying for this when the other countries of the world finally stop loaning money to america.

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Posted 11 February 2009 - 07:38 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2...imulus.worries/

thoughts?


I am just going to go over the first couple that caught my eye.

1 $2 billion earmark to re-start FutureGen, a near-zero emissions coal power plant in Illinois that the Department of Energy defunded last year because it said the project was inefficient.

This is a project that was initially supposed to cost $1 bill total, with the US only contributing $400 million. The project was canceled due to massive overruns in budget. Now we are suposed to dump 2 Billion into it as economic stimulus? What is the likelihood of getting any long term return on this investment? How much of this money is going to be spent creating jobs, and how much on really expensive materials? How many jobs is this going to create and at what cost?

In my opinion this project is nothing more than special interest spending, not economic stimulus.


2. A $246 million tax break for Hollywood movie producers to buy motion picture film.

How is this going to "create" any jobs?

Before you answer that films create jobs, have you seen a shortage of films being created?

I don't buy this. This money could be much more wisely spent. However you have to look no further than the money trail to understand why this one was proposed.

#19 Matt Foley

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Posted 11 February 2009 - 07:41 PM

"Conservatives" (there is only one conservative in Washington, the rest are hypocrites) are just using this as a effort to rebuild their sh*tty image. Too bad for them its backfiring.


What color is the sky in your world?

#20 Davidson Deac II

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Posted 11 February 2009 - 08:37 PM

No anger at all, just stating the facts. Pubs do not govern effectively.


Reagan and Bush I both did well. Economically, the country has basically done well since the early 80's till 2007 with only a couple of minor hiccups at the end of Bush I and the end if Clinton's admin.

The current problems started in large part during the Clinton administration (when Glass Steagall was repealed) and slowly grew through the Bush II administration until the damn burst. Of course, the fact is that government (democrat and republican) only played a lessor role in the collapse, but I realize that everyone feels a need to blame the party which they do not favor. Thats politics.

Regarding the stimulus, any money spent provides some jobs. The question is does the money provide jobs and help the long term health of the country. Spending money on roads might. Spending money on alternative fuels might. Tax breaks to Hollywood producers probably will not.

Edited by Davidson Deac II, 11 February 2009 - 08:39 PM.


#21 Fiz

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Posted 11 February 2009 - 08:40 PM

reagan was great as long as you weren't black, gay, sick, lived in an inner city, or poor.

oh yeah or in south america

or on the wrong side of whatever the stars told him to do

or a government employee doing something but making bombs

#22 Fiz

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Posted 11 February 2009 - 08:51 PM

2. A $246 million tax break for Hollywood movie producers to buy motion picture film.

How is this going to "create" any jobs?

Before you answer that films create jobs, have you seen a shortage of films being created?


because i know a lot about this i will give both sides of this argument.

on one hand, making film is incredibly expensive. for a completed film, it costs about 15,000 dollars a minute in film alone. this measure is intended to do things. one is to defray the costs for new and upcoming film makers. the cheaper it is to make a movie, the more you'll have, the more people you'll have working. on the other, this is intended to give even more incentive to film within the states, and that helps cities that offer massive subsidies to production houses to film there, like atlanta. if you've never been involved in a major motion picture, i assure you that it involves the employment of THOUSANDS of people, generally indigenous to the city. Filming a major motion picture is a massive undertaking, and it pumps money into every single sector of a city.

For example, when We Are Marshall was filmed in Atlanta, it injected around 45 million in liquidity into the city. The biggest recipients were day laborers for the non union work, restaurants and bars (film people drink a lot), actors, carpenters, and the lighting and rigging outfit out of lawrenceville.

on the other hand ive heard this is just a handout to kodak since within ten years digital film is going to be just as good and will destroy the industry.

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#23 Speed

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Posted 11 February 2009 - 10:05 PM

"Conservatives" (there is only one conservative in Washington, the rest are hypocrites) are just using this as a effort to rebuild their sh*tty image. Too bad for them its backfiring.


Aint that the god damn truth. That's like calling a democrat a fuging liberal! fugers are for anything BUT liberty!

#24 Carolina Husker

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Posted 11 February 2009 - 11:05 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2...imulus.worries/

thoughts?


Evidently every single one of those things is important except for the furniture at the new Homeland Security office.

#25 engine9

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Posted 11 February 2009 - 11:40 PM

All of the money given to the arts and film industry will just eventually end up being used to purchase illegal drugs, thereby renewing the federal government's mandate to continue it's "wag the dog" war on drugs.

#26 Fiz

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Posted 11 February 2009 - 11:57 PM

All of the money given to the arts and film industry will just eventually end up being used to purchase illegal drugs, thereby renewing the federal government's mandate to continue it's "wag the dog" war on drugs.


ahem, I don't do drugs.

I just drink.

all the time

oh god i miss her

:cryin:

#27 engine9

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Posted 12 February 2009 - 12:02 AM

ahem, I don't do drugs.

I just drink.

all the time

oh god i miss her

:cryin:


stimulating!!!

#28 venom

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Posted 13 February 2009 - 10:38 AM

No anger at all, just stating the facts. Pubs do not govern effectively.


youre an ignorant human being.

#29 Fireball77

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Posted 13 February 2009 - 11:20 AM

For example, when We Are Marshall was filmed in Atlanta, it injected around 45 million in liquidity into the city. The biggest recipients were day laborers for the non union work, restaurants and bars (film people drink a lot), actors, carpenters, and the lighting and rigging outfit out of lawrenceville.

No doubt that something like that can help a local economy. I guess my question would be...how long after the film is done being made do those jobs or the economic benefits last? In my book, a temporary input of $$ into an area< something that may be more long lasting.

#30 Matt Foley

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Posted 13 February 2009 - 11:41 AM

No doubt that something like that can help a local economy. I guess my question would be...how long after the film is done being made do those jobs or the economic benefits last? In my book, a temporary input of $$ into an area< something that may be more long lasting.


Hollywood is 90 percent liberal.


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