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#31 Happy Panther

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Posted 10 March 2011 - 12:26 PM

What evidence is there that Fox's staff either didn't want to coach jimmy or didn't know how to coach rookies?

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Posted 10 March 2011 - 12:38 PM

What evidence is there that Fox's staff either didn't want to coach jimmy or didn't know how to coach rookies?


There is not one shred if evidence to back up those claims.

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Posted 10 March 2011 - 12:44 PM

What evidence is there that Fox's staff either didn't want to coach jimmy or didn't know how to coach rookies?


The 2010 season.

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Posted 10 March 2011 - 12:51 PM

In the years that John Fox was our coach, not once did he clearly show the ability to evaluate or develope a QB. Jake spent his developmental years with the Saints. And it took Fox longer than anyone else to determine that Jake was done. None of the rest of the qb's during the Fox era is worth mentioning.

I am not saying that I think Clausen will be a good QB, but I certainly don't trust the Fox staff to properly evaluate or teach him.

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Posted 10 March 2011 - 12:51 PM

There is not one shred if evidence to back up those claims.

Actually there is.

Brett Jensen interviewed a Panthers higher-up who said that Fox and the coaching staff were somewhat lackadaisical in how they approached the rookies last year (especially Armanti Edwards). Throw in that Rip Scherer's record as a pro QB coach leaves a lot to be desired.

Doesn't mean I think Clausen will be a success, mind you, but that - as well as other factors - do mean that last year wasn't necessarily the best template for judging.

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Posted 10 March 2011 - 01:04 PM

Actually there is.

Brett Jensen interviewed a Panthers higher-up who said that Fox and the coaching staff were somewhat lackadaisical in how they approached the rookies last year (especially Armanti Edwards). Throw in that Rip Scherer's record as a pro QB coach leaves a lot to be desired.

Doesn't mean I think Clausen will be a success, mind you, but that - as well as other factors - do mean that last year wasn't necessarily the best template for judging.


Clausen was inserted week 2....played in 13 games and started 11. He got plenty of attention/coaching.

Fox has a winning record with Jake Delhomme
Fox has a winning record with Matt Moore.

Neither were great QBs. Fox still won. Fox can create an enviroment where an average QB can find success (even young rookie QBs)......Jimmy flat out didn't fit.

I don't think it is fair to say b/c he opted not to deal w/ Edwards than that somehow means Clausen didn't get a fair shot. Weak logic imo.

Edited by CRA, 10 March 2011 - 01:07 PM.


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Posted 10 March 2011 - 02:44 PM

Clausen was inserted week 2....played in 13 games and started 11. He got plenty of attention/coaching.

Fox has a winning record with Jake Delhomme
Fox has a winning record with Matt Moore.

Neither were great QBs. Fox still won. Fox can create an enviroment where an average QB can find success (even young rookie QBs)......Jimmy flat out didn't fit.

I don't think it is fair to say b/c he opted not to deal w/ Edwards than that somehow means Clausen didn't get a fair shot. Weak logic imo.


Not a fan of this logic. This specific argument is based on comparing Delhomme and Moore's overall record, (that spans over more then one season ) to one season as a rookie.

Along with the fact that the 2010 was the least talented team in the Fox era.

Also I think it proable to assume had Moore started the whole season, this team still wouldve had a pretty bad record and thus a losing record with Fox.

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Posted 10 March 2011 - 02:55 PM

Not a fan of this logic. This specific argument is based on comparing Delhomme and Moore's overall record, (that spans over more then one season ) to one season as a rookie.

Along with the fact that the 2010 was the least talented team in the Fox era.

Also I think it proable to assume had Moore started the whole season, this team still wouldve had a pretty bad record and thus a losing record with Fox.


Look at Moore as a rookie vs. Clausen as a rookie. Moore was an undrafted rookie who stepped in and functioned and allowed the team to competitive.

The least talented??? in 2010? Are you serious...if you breakdown the team outside of QB on offense it was more talented than the 2007 team.

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Posted 10 March 2011 - 02:58 PM

It's a smokescreen. In reality, everybody on the Panthers roster loves Jimmy. Brett Jenson told me so.

Some of you really know how to beat something that was funny one time to death.

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Posted 10 March 2011 - 03:04 PM

I still don't see why they gave up on Matt Moore so soon. When he played at least he had flashes of brilliance. I think that if he would have still been QB by the time the receivers had started to settle down the team would have looked a lot better to end the season.

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Posted 10 March 2011 - 03:55 PM

I still don't see why they gave up on Matt Moore so soon. When he played at least he had flashes of brilliance. I think that if he would have still been QB by the time the receivers had started to settle down the team would have looked a lot better to end the season.


I'm guess that JR is the one who wanted JC to start, not Fox.

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Posted 10 March 2011 - 03:57 PM

Actually there is.

Brett Jensen interviewed a Panthers higher-up who said that Fox and the coaching staff were somewhat lackadaisical in how they approached the rookies last year (especially Armanti Edwards). Throw in that Rip Scherer's record as a pro QB coach leaves a lot to be desired.

Doesn't mean I think Clausen will be a success, mind you, but that - as well as other factors - do mean that last year wasn't necessarily the best template for judging.


So who was this higher up? Did you hear the actual interview?

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Posted 10 March 2011 - 04:00 PM

It was on a radio show. The DJ was relaying what someone said to him at a dinner.

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Posted 10 March 2011 - 04:02 PM

It was on a radio show. The DJ was relaying what someone said to him at a dinner.


That's not really evidence then, especially when there is so much evidence to the contrary from multiple sources.

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Posted 10 March 2011 - 04:06 PM

That dinner could have been with Hurney. Never know.


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