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#16 stwall

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Posted 15 February 2009 - 02:17 AM

I grew up an Air Force brat. Then served 8 years in the Army. The care I got in the service was great. You just had to wait for ever to get it. Plus the facilities are falling apart now.

I work in the medical field for 2 different hospitals.
The privet sector you might get seen a little faster but the level of care is the same. Plus the waits are growing as most hospitals are understaffed. The economic crisis is making that worse as hospitals are starting to lay off employees or cut hours. I have had my hours cut at my primary job since June of last year. Add in the fact we lost over 20 million last year from indigent care. (people who receive treatment then never pay the bill.) It doesn't paint a pretty picture for health care.

On a personal level. I have several family members and friends who don't have health insurance. There jobs don't offer it and they can't afford to get it on there own. I have one very good friend who is only 40 and needs a hip replacement because of an accident he had several years ago, but just can't afford it.

So, I think every American should get health care. There has to be away to make it work that everyone is covered by insurance, and at the same time insuring that there are not long lines waiting to get care.

And for you guys who don't know Medicaid and Medicare already control health care. They set pricing for services rendered, and they pretty much determine what treatment gets done to go along with what diagnoses your admitted under. By saying what they will pay for and what they wont. Other privet health insurances usually follow what ever they do.

Edited by stwall, 15 February 2009 - 02:19 AM.


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Posted 15 February 2009 - 02:21 AM

If you honestly for one second think that socialized health care would make our health care system BETTER, then you are a fool (the video was a bit annoying).

i can't imagine how it would make it worse than what it already is, which is the worst in the first world.

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Posted 15 February 2009 - 01:46 PM

Why should you, me, and every other American foot the bill for healthcare? Do we not do enough now? Why can't you get off your ass and take care of things yourself, instead of relying on BIG GOVERNMENT to do it for you?

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Posted 15 February 2009 - 02:13 PM

Why should you, me, and every other American foot the bill for healthcare?

americans already pay more in healthcare related tax than any other country in the oecm.

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Posted 15 February 2009 - 02:18 PM

One thing about the libs, if we adopt this system, and it is an absolute boon-doggle, they will still think it's the greatest thing ever because the Government, according to them, is just perfect!

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Posted 15 February 2009 - 02:25 PM

as evidenced by "the libs" lining up to continually support the most recent republican big government boon doggle that doesn't work; the war in iraq

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Posted 15 February 2009 - 02:52 PM

It's pretty clear the way we're doing it now is wrong.

Not sure how you can spin paying twice as much for healthcare as the rest of the industrialized world but living several years less.

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Posted 15 February 2009 - 02:52 PM

I'm not quite sure how griping about costs of health care and then upping taxes to cover a different coverage system changes the costs for anyone. Its high costs all around, no matter what system is in place. I don't see UHC as an answer to system problems and believe there are better, more long-term viable alternatives

Remember the options are not JUST insurance vs some type of universal system. There are other options here.

I do not believe and will not be able to believe that increased govt interference (yes interference) will be a better option

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Posted 15 February 2009 - 02:54 PM

Remember the options are not JUST insurance vs some type of universal system. There are other options here.

lol like what

please say healthcare saving accounts so i can rip it up.

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Posted 15 February 2009 - 03:06 PM

lol like what

please say healthcare saving accounts so i can rip it up.


There are so many things to be done it would take me forever so I'll just give an idea.

If government power is eliminated (do away with the FDA - whose restrictions benefit the most powerful companies by eliminating most competition), those same companies would have to use their funds and resources to sell their drugs to the most people in the least expensive, most reliable and safest way. They would need to outperform their competitors to get your money - otherwise they lose business.

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Posted 15 February 2009 - 03:20 PM

Get the drug lobby out of capitol hill and strike the laws from the books that funnel insurance funds into the big pharmaceutical companies that our lawmakers are in bed with.

Healthcare costs would go down by 30%, guaranteed.

On the old board I laid out several examples of laws that were specially tailored to give big pharm all of our $$ for the same drugs that they sell abroad for a fraction of the cost. Seeing as I've been swamped at work, I don't really have the time to do this.

For the record, I'd like to input that I have an HSA and I love it. I recognize that it isn't really meant for everyone, though.

#27 Fiz

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Posted 15 February 2009 - 03:57 PM

There are so many things to be done it would take me forever so I'll just give an idea.

If government power is eliminated (do away with the FDA - whose restrictions benefit the most powerful companies by eliminating most competition), those same companies would have to use their funds and resources to sell their drugs to the most people in the least expensive, most reliable and safest way. They would need to outperform their competitors to get your money - otherwise they lose business.

lol this couldn't be more wrong. eliminating regulation would give rise to small competition? merck would suddenly not be able to elbow out smaller companies/buy them out?

i mean jesus look at the across the board deregulation that has gone on for the last 8 years and tell me that it increased competition.

if the fda were eliminated and drugs were to be allowed to go directly to the public, it would be a complete cluster fug combining company rigged testing and drugs that kill .3% fewer than the competition.

let me put this another way. US pharmaceutical companies in 2008 spent just as much on lobbying as they did on research, and twice as much on advertising. the solution to rising prescription costs in the united states lies in fixing the pharmaceutical companies themselves, not doing away with a federal agency that's already painfully unfunded as it is.

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Posted 15 February 2009 - 03:59 PM

For the record, I'd like to input that I have an HSA and I love it. I recognize that it isn't really meant for everyone, though.

hope you don't smoke, eat fatty food, ever have anything resembling an unsafe sexual encounter (probably a safe bet for you) or have a family history of cancer, heart disease, or anything degenerative because that HSA would vanish in a second and you'd be left broke and penniless, dragging your family and loved ones down with you as they auctioned off the last of their furniture to buy one more chemo shot for you, hoping that was the one that gave you another 3 months of painful, medication free life.

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Posted 15 February 2009 - 04:14 PM

From what I've experienced here in Spain, socialized heath care isn't that bad. At least the Spanish system isn't. Most of the time you see the doctor right away and all the facilities are great.

The only problem I have with it is that many people here are on a waiting list for surgeries. Also, I've heard a horror story from my friend who went to a clinic in a larger city. She had to see the doctor like five times before the finally realized that she needed to see a specialist. But, this is something that happens in the US too.

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Posted 15 February 2009 - 04:18 PM

hope you don't smoke, eat fatty food, ever have anything resembling an unsafe sexual encounter (probably a safe bet for you) or have a family history of cancer, heart disease, or anything degenerative because that HSA would vanish in a second and you'd be left broke and penniless, dragging your family and loved ones down with you as they auctioned off the last of their furniture to buy one more chemo shot for you, hoping that was the one that gave you another 3 months of painful, medication free life.


I don't think you know much about HSAs. HSAs have a yearly maximum expense out of the account. After that, the insurance company usually pays 100%. It's a true crisis model system.

(However, just like any other health insurance model, the insurance provider can increase your premium if you're costing them too much.)

So if I get cancer this year, the max I would ever have to pay out of the account to which my employer contributes is $2100.

ever have anything resembling an unsafe sexual encounter (probably a safe bet for you)


As long as anonymous butsechs encounters don't count. :Angel_anim:


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