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#136 Lords0fPain

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Posted 14 March 2011 - 05:32 PM

Might want to work on your reading comprehension. Nowhere did I say anything about being able to negotiate a deal. I said I don't understand placing all the blame on the players when the owners agreed to the deal. Please explain to me how that says they should never be able to negotiate a more fair deal.


Thats what they (owners) tried to do and it wasn't (and never was going to good enough for the players). The judge constantly rules for the players (which I'd like to see how he generally rules, in other cases, to see what side of the political fence hes one), so the players want in court.

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Posted 14 March 2011 - 05:40 PM

This is a great analogy!

I don't so much fault the owners but to say they should have known better is more than appropriate.

Teddy Bruschi made a comment Friday night right after everything went down. He said,

"The players are continuing to follow the leadership of Gene Upshaw. He would meet with every player every season, all 32 teams. He would stand up in front of us and tell us that no matter what never give back anything the owners ever give you."

The players don't want to negociate because they don't want a deal that is anything less than the one they had. The owners should not have made the deal in 06 that they did knowing the players were never going to give back a singal percentage point ever.


This is kinda my thinking. I'm with everyone else who says the players should be willing to compromise. However, I can understand them not wanting to give anything up after having such a good deal. It's human nature to not want to give things back after you have them.

Edited by chef17, 14 March 2011 - 05:44 PM.


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Posted 14 March 2011 - 05:43 PM

Thats what they (owners) tried to do and it wasn't (and never was going to good enough for the players). The judge constantly rules for the players (which I'd like to see how he generally rules, in other cases, to see what side of the political fence hes one), so the players want in court.


I understand that. I'm just saying IMO the owners are partially to blame as well. I think by giving the players so much in the last deal, the current situation was bound to happen.

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Posted 14 March 2011 - 05:43 PM

until they bring those papers i doubt they get a deal done. thats the main reason why i think they want this to go to court. how can people take a side when both sides are being dickheads.

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Posted 14 March 2011 - 05:45 PM

I understand that. I'm just saying IMO the owners are partially to blame as well. I think by giving the players so much in the last deal, the current situation was bound to happen.


so true, people are quick to take a side. but if the deal was that bad they should have never taken the deal.

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Posted 14 March 2011 - 05:52 PM

Here we go:
http://profootballta...o-talk/related/


"It doesn’t foreclose the players from filing a motion to transfer the case from Judge Nelson to Judge David Doty. Though neither we nor NFL general counsel Jeff Pash (one of the guests on today’s supersized PFT Live) are currently aware of any precedent that would allow a case to be transferred within the same district based on a given judge’s knowledge of the process, nothing stops the players from trying.

That said, the players don’t seem to be concerned about Judge Nelson’s handling of the case. “That’s not an issue,” Saints quarterback Drew Brees said during a Monday conference call arranged by the NFLPA*. “That’s something that the owners seem to be very focused on. For us it about the facts and the law.”

The fact that Judge Nelson was nominated by President Obama and appointed by a Congress controlled by Democrats is another reason for the players to not be complaining."


It's funny how "facts and law" have nothing to do when some judges get to exercise their power over others. I do have more confidence a that a conservative judge would A LITTLE more fair, than liberal. I can predict right now the players will get everything they want (and then some).

Edited by Lords0fPain, 14 March 2011 - 05:57 PM.


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Posted 14 March 2011 - 06:00 PM

I understand that. I'm just saying IMO the owners are partially to blame as well. I think by giving the players so much in the last deal, the current situation was bound to happen.



True, but sadly, I believe they had about as much choice then, as they do now...:rolleyes:

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Posted 14 March 2011 - 06:04 PM

True, but sadly, I believe they had about as much choice then, as they do now...:rolleyes:


That very well could be true. I don't know much about how it happened last time, but I would think it would have been easier to negotiate back then (before giving so much to the players) than it is now.

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Posted 14 March 2011 - 06:07 PM

Owners know that the judge doty will (and has always) ruled in the players favor. Nothing will be different with Nelson (it at least appears by her background). They (owners) where trapped then and they are trapped now. They will have to push this up to higher courts, in hopes of getting at least a fair shake.

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Posted 14 March 2011 - 06:23 PM

That very well could be true. I don't know much about how it happened last time, but I would think it would have been easier to negotiate back then (before giving so much to the players) than it is now.


It happened because Tagliabue was planning on retiring and wanted to keep his legacy of labor peace intact. Not to absolve the owners of any blame, they did vote for it. But, Tagliabue sold them on a sh*t deal to protect his reputation.

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Posted 14 March 2011 - 06:44 PM

I agree to an extent. I just look at it like this. If you have a child and spoil them giving them everything, then suddently give them less what will happen? They will throw a tantrum until they get their way. The players like the spoiled child throwing a tantrum. I still fault the parent (owners) as well for spoiling the child. I understand your frustration towards the players. I just feel like the owners are also at fault for setting up the situation.


As a parent....I will buy that analogy.

However, you still have to put your foot down and show them who is boss....and that is what the owners are doing to these spoiled little bitches.

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Posted 14 March 2011 - 06:47 PM

Here we go:
http://profootballta...o-talk/related/


"It doesn’t foreclose the players from filing a motion to transfer the case from Judge Nelson to Judge David Doty. Though neither we nor NFL general counsel Jeff Pash (one of the guests on today’s supersized PFT Live) are currently aware of any precedent that would allow a case to be transferred within the same district based on a given judge’s knowledge of the process, nothing stops the players from trying.

That said, the players don’t seem to be concerned about Judge Nelson’s handling of the case. “That’s not an issue,” Saints quarterback Drew Brees said during a Monday conference call arranged by the NFLPA*. “That’s something that the owners seem to be very focused on. For us it about the facts and the law.”

The fact that Judge Nelson was nominated by President Obama and appointed by a Congress controlled by Democrats is another reason for the players to not be complaining."


It's funny how "facts and law" have nothing to do when some judges get to exercise their power over others. I do have more confidence a that a conservative judge would A LITTLE more fair, than liberal. I can predict right now the players will get everything they want (and then some).


And then the owners will appeal.

This is not going to be settled quickly in court.

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Posted 14 March 2011 - 06:54 PM

As a parent....I will buy that analogy.

However, you still have to put your foot down and show them who is boss....and that is what the owners are doing to these spoiled little bitches.


I can agree with that

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Posted 14 March 2011 - 06:59 PM

In other news, Japan has had two nuclear meltdowns in a week.