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#121 Inimicus

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Posted 25 March 2011 - 08:04 AM

The NFL is unique, in that it is very difficult (if not impossible) to replace extraordinary talent. You can do it, in a sense, in the right circumstances, but that certain je ne sais qoui that makes a player special and individual (and, thus, the team and the league) is forever lost without that player's talent. As such, they are more important to the NFL than the regular Joe is to his job. That being said, it is still a job, and this is still America. There is something inherently un-American to ask employees to take a pay cut in this county without evidence, particularly in the case of an arena that is basically a monopolistic profit-making machine (like the NFL). Moreover, there is something un-American about demanding that employees---private citizens---tell employers how they are spending their money.
It's really none of their business.

bullshit.


The NCAA puts millions of people in stadiums around this country every Saturday. If you think for one second that the fans would stop coming to games if every current player was benched and replaced with college kids and guys who graduated within the last 3 years you need to lay off the drugs.

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Posted 25 March 2011 - 08:11 AM

bullpoo.


The NCAA puts millions of people in stadiums around this country every Saturday. If you think for one second that the fans would stop coming to games if every current player was benched and replaced with college kids and guys who graduated within the last 3 years you need to lay off the drugs.


Yeah, that wouldn't affect anything. BTW, drugs are bad for your health.

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Posted 25 March 2011 - 08:57 AM

replacement players would definitely drive fans away. But to what extent who knows?

I think it would hurt teams that currently have marquis players.

I honestly don't know if i would go to games if the rosters were replaced.

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Posted 25 March 2011 - 09:20 AM

The owners aren't asking for more money they are taking less. They also aren't claiming financial hardship.



uhhhhhh. im not sure if this is sarcasm or serious. lolinternetz



and the replacement players argument has no place in this topic. the real NFL players WANT to play...the owners dont want them to...

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Posted 25 March 2011 - 09:23 AM

uhhhhhh. im not sure if this is sarcasm or serious. lolinternetz



and the replacement players argument has no place in this topic. the real NFL players WANT to play...the owners dont want them to...



For me to believe that they would have had to reject the decertification plan back in Nov and told their leadership that not having a deal was not an option. If they wanted to play they should have told Smith to get it done or get out and let someone who wants a deal run the negotiations.

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Posted 25 March 2011 - 09:47 AM

For me to believe that they would have had to reject the decertification plan back in Nov and told their leadership that not having a deal was not an option. If they wanted to play they should have told Smith to get it done or get out and let someone who wants a deal run the negotiations.


i agree, the union seemed set on decertifying but they cant just tell De Smith to poo or get off the pot and accept any old deal that screws them in the future.

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Posted 25 March 2011 - 12:49 PM

replacement players will not drive fans away...

I cannot imagine a more scintallating atmosphere building up to week one with replacements. I predict record breaking ratings, turnout and news coverage.

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Posted 25 March 2011 - 02:59 PM

replacement players will not drive fans away...

I cannot imagine a more scintallating atmosphere building up to week one with replacements. I predict record breaking ratings, turnout and news coverage.


Perhaps for about one or two weeks. Then, once the intelligent fans realize that they are watching a glorified version of the USFL or XFL they will no longer support an inferior product.

Some of you guys must be naive. I am thinking that most of you are probably too young to remember the scabs back in the 80s. The product was not good. It was not good at all, especially when people have grown accustomed to the first-rate product that the NFL has developed into today.

Moreover, no one is saying that people don't support college ball. Of course they do. There are other dynamics working at the collegiate level that will always fuel the NCAA sports. But this does not necessarily mean that love and pride in one's school translates to the NFL. They are two totally different organizations.

Bottom line: If I, as a fan, am not convinced that I am looking at the best---particularly when I am paying premium rates to support the NFL as a whole---I am simply going to lose interest and fade away. I will let all the others consume snake oil on their prime swamp land in Florida.

Like I said, the owners need to justify what they are selling (in black and white). Only then will I even begin to trust them. This is not to say that I pity the players, but all negotiations should begin with a great level of transparency.

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Posted 25 March 2011 - 08:19 PM

there will not be replacement players in the nfl.

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Posted 26 March 2011 - 12:34 AM

It took you 5 edits to get this remark? And all 5 were basically the same comment.

You sound like an overpaid player who feels intitled to more $ just because you are an athlete who plays pro football and never finished college. Always expecting someone else to pay for your free ride.

Remember, it's the fans who pay the salaries. Without their support, there is no football. And most fans would rather see scab players in the NFL this season than no NFL at all. So individual players don't mean as much to the fans as players themselves think they do.

I will ask you again, show all of us here on this board who it is that have the "All Hail The Owners" belief. Because we don't see it.


Yeah, I go back and forth whether to even bother with a reply, because so many of you have your minds made up without even scratching the surface of the issues at hand, and make up/misquote some bullshit to arrive at the reactionary conclusion of: owners deserving, players lucky to have jobs. I'm not going to give you examples; if you don't see it, you're obviously unwilling to as it's on virtually every fugen page of the thread.

What blows my mind is how many posters here are so impulsively devoted to NFL owners, who, by the way, are famous for pressuring cities to build them new stadiums with taxpayer money and are more than happy to skip town at the drop of a hat for a better deal. Yet somehow it galls you people for these same owners to have to answer in any way to the players who give them this leverage.

Laugh out loud to suggest fans would watch scab players stuffed in pro uniforms. The NFL would die almost as fast as the XFL.

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Posted 26 March 2011 - 12:42 AM

Seriously? You guys really think the NFL could sustain itself without employing the best players in the world? And moreover, why would you want that?

#132 c0r

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Posted 26 March 2011 - 08:27 AM

Yeah, I go back and forth whether to even bother with a reply, because so many of you have your minds made up without even scratching the surface of the issues at hand, and make up/misquote some bullpoo to arrive at the reactionary conclusion of: owners deserving, players lucky to have jobs. I'm not going to give you examples; if you don't see it, you're obviously unwilling to as it's on virtually every fugen page of the thread.

What blows my mind is how many posters here are so impulsively devoted to NFL owners, who, by the way, are famous for pressuring cities to build them new stadiums with taxpayer money and are more than happy to skip town at the drop of a hat for a better deal. Yet somehow it galls you people for these same owners to have to answer in any way to the players who give them this leverage.

Laugh out loud to suggest fans would watch scab players stuffed in pro uniforms. The NFL would die almost as fast as the XFL.


this so hard. the owners dont give a poo about the fans. all they care about is $$$.

they believe they have the fans by the balls and are willing to give up a year of football to make more money. its true and i think it is pathetic that fans would put up with that.

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Posted 26 March 2011 - 10:01 AM

Seriously? You guys really think the NFL could sustain itself without employing the best players in the world? And moreover, why would you want that?


they don't have the best players in the world now and never have

they have the best players that don't get thrown in jail, caught smokn weed, juicing, blood doping, flunked outta college, etc.

If we also have to do without the ones that think they are too good to earn a paycheck like everyone else in a recession by puttn in a little extra work...I could not ******* care less

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Posted 26 March 2011 - 11:27 AM

Fans, then Players, then Owners

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Posted 26 March 2011 - 11:30 AM

What blows my mind is how many posters here are so impulsively devoted to NFL owners, who, by the way, are famous for pressuring cities to build them new stadiums with taxpayer money and are more than happy to skip town at the drop of a hat for a better deal.


Well, call me blind then. Because I still don't see posters here that are "impulsively devoted to NFL owners".

What I see is the fans given a choice between a douche and a turd sandwich. No one is claiming that one choice is the most obvious and better choice over the other choice. Both choices suck ass. Most have chosen the turd sandwich. And the turd sandwich is the owners.

Now if you want to claim the players are completely in the right in this situation and the owners are to take full blame for this ridiculous and utterly stupid argument where the fans are caught right smack in the middle, that's your right.

But to make that claim without any facts to back them up other than "You posters are stupid. I know what's best. If you don't listen to me, you are an idiot." then go ahead and be That Guy.

Just don't act surprised when posters call you an idiot and think you are completely full of poo.


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