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#31 Cyberjag

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Posted 12 March 2011 - 08:58 PM

We entered the last season believing Moore could be the guy. He had three years of experience, quality starts in two of them, knew the offense, knew the players, was primed to take over.

And he folded.

Would I like for him to make a triumphant return from his injury, and establish himself as the best QB in franchise history? Of course--I would love awesome play at the QB position. But I'm not even expecting him to land the starting job.

#32 koolkatluke

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Posted 12 March 2011 - 10:47 PM

We entered the last season believing Moore could be the guy. He had three years of experience, quality starts in two of them, knew the offense, knew the players, was primed to take over.

And he folded.

Would I like for him to make a triumphant return from his injury, and establish himself as the best QB in franchise history? Of course--I would love awesome play at the QB position. But I'm not even expecting him to land the starting job.




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#33 Brooklyn Bully

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Posted 13 March 2011 - 02:08 AM

As long as we're happy with guys like Moore, we'll always be mediocre. It's time to do better. Easier said than done though.

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Posted 13 March 2011 - 03:35 AM

We entered the last season believing Moore could be the guy. He had three years of experience, quality starts in two of them, knew the offense, knew the players, was primed to take over.

And he folded.

Would I like for him to make a triumphant return from his injury, and establish himself as the best QB in franchise history? Of course--I would love awesome play at the QB position. But I'm not even expecting him to land the starting job.

No rushing attack.
No real time with the same receivers, at the same positions.
Iand you say that was primed?

More like the team let him down. Wouldn't have matter who was qb.

Fact is, as long as his shoulder is healthy, he'd still beat out clausen and any drafted rookie.

Sorry, I have to respectfully disagree. Not even manning could have won with offense last season...specially at the beginning.

#35 chef17

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Posted 13 March 2011 - 03:50 AM

No rushing attack.
No real time with the same receivers, at the same positions.
Iand you say that was primed?

More like the team let him down. Wouldn't have matter who was qb.

Fact is, as long as his shoulder is healthy, he'd still beat out clausen and any drafted rookie.

Sorry, I have to respectfully disagree. Not even manning could have won with offense last season...specially at the beginning.


People give that excuse for Clausen but Moore doesn't get the same pass.

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Posted 13 March 2011 - 06:01 AM

I don't agree that "not even Manning could have won with last season's offense". Last season's offensive line was poor, but Moore's terrible play and Jimmy's terrible play exacerbated the problem. The difference is Jimmy had an excuse, he's a rookie. With our poor O-line and stupid play calling, Manning still could have won 8-10 games. The receivers did well enough, especially considering 2/3 of our real receivers were rookies. There were drops here and there, but the receivers weren't the ones holding the offense back by any means. The run game suffered a bit from the O-line too, but more so from the lack of any threat from the passing game.

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Posted 13 March 2011 - 06:06 AM

Alright, seriously... time to let it go, guys. Matt Moore is NOT our starting QB and NEVER will be. He had his chance and blew it. That's it; it's over. If he is even re-signed it'll be as a backup, but even then I seriously doubt that he's in the organization's plans after last year.

I wanted him to play well too. I was rooting for the guy, but damn, enough is enough. He's shown what he is: a decent NFL backup QB, nothing more, nothing less.

Give it up already. You guys are worse than John Fox sticking with Jake and insisting he could still play despite ALL evidence to the contrary.

Edited by Second City Panther, 13 March 2011 - 06:12 AM.


#38 Cyberjag

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Posted 13 March 2011 - 08:24 AM

No rushing attack.
No real time with the same receivers, at the same positions.
Iand you say that was primed?

More like the team let him down. Wouldn't have matter who was qb.

Fact is, as long as his shoulder is healthy, he'd still beat out clausen and any drafted rookie.

Sorry, I have to respectfully disagree. Not even manning could have won with offense last season...specially at the beginning.

You do realize that at the end of the first half we had 83 yards rushing, right (18 carries, 4.6 avg)? It wasn't until the Giants doubled down against the run and made Moore beat them with his arm that the game turned around in their favor.

In the first half Moore went 7-14 for a whopping 82 yards. That does include a nice TD throw to Smith at the very end of the half (you know, the kind of play that Jake and Jimmy bashers always credit to the WR?). Overall though, his numbers were just awful.

Obviously someone on the Giants staff noticed that Moore wasn't playing well, so they made the game more about him in the second half. Teams did that to Clausen all year too, the difference was that Clausen was a rookie, not someone with three years experience in the system. You kind of expect more from the latter.

I'm sure some of it was inexperience at receiver. We won't ever know, but I'm betting that a rookie wasn't where Moore expected him to be on at least one occasion. But he was throwing to Smitty, Jarrett, King, and Rosario too--players he had years of experience playing alongside.

Of course, we had Davidson calling plays for us, and you know I've never thought much of him. Once we went down in the second half he pretty much abandoned the running game, as usual. (As an aside, I just loved looking at the game book and noticing that the minute we went down by 8 points in the third quarter, our play selection over the rest of the game went like this: pass, pass, pass, pass, pass, pass, pass, pass, pass, pass, pass, pass, pass, pass, pass, pass, run, pass, pass, pass--the Jeff Davidson approach to dealing with a struggling QB).

There's hope that Moore is way better than he showed when the team was truly given to him. I like his arm, and I like his story (the whole UDFA thing). He did well in 2007 and sucked in 2008 (pre-IR play). Then he did well in 2009 and sucked in 2010. Maybe he plays well in odd years, huh? :)

Edited by Cyberjag, 13 March 2011 - 08:27 AM.


#39 pantherclaw

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Posted 13 March 2011 - 01:00 PM

Lol at odd years. Got a good laugh from on that one.

I'm also not just talking about one game. Any qb will have a bad game here and there, specially when they feel the need to carry the team.

Yes, he was throwing to steve smith. But there was lil timing, as smith was out all of training camp due to his broken arm. They had 1, maybe 2 weeks of practice to get back into a rythem. The same rookies didn't even play two weeks in a row in preseason.
Rosario is the most inconsistent te on the team.

Nothing from preseason inspired me about the offense.

I find it amazing that you are judging moore from those games? And completely write off the the issues that surrounded the offense.

I've got more games of moore playing well, than I do of him playing bad. When watching them, it is painfully obvious the differences.

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Posted 13 March 2011 - 01:12 PM

Moore's numbers were out of this world in his 4-1 stint. Not just good but stellar numbers and wins against great teams.

He will still get a chance to do it and we know he has the talent and ability.

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Posted 13 March 2011 - 01:14 PM

pass, pass, pass, pass, pass, pass, pass, pass, pass, pass, pass, pass, pass, pass, pass, pass, run, pass, pass, pass--the Jeff Davidson approach to dealing with a struggling QB).


He was also criticized for not letting Clausen pass enough.

This is the NFL and Clausen is an NFL ready QB. You learn the playbook and make the passes. No QB is ever going to say "he made me pass too much!"

#42 Seamonk

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Posted 13 March 2011 - 07:21 PM

I think the coaching staff gave up before the season began and just called lame duck plays. Both Moore and Clausen were affected by this disinterest.

I'd criticize Davidson for not properly timing the pass plays correctly.
Run, Run, Pass. When there were successful plays, he'd completely change the tempo. The tempo of play calling is too important of an advantage to let go so easily. We'd carve up a defense for like 3 successful pass plays and then back to old and boring run game for the defense to catch up before we tried another pass play which failed. Sometimes it's not the playcalling that needs to change, it's the tempo.

#43 Cyberjag

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Posted 13 March 2011 - 07:34 PM

Lol at odd years. Got a good laugh from on that one.

I'm also not just talking about one game. Any qb will have a bad game here and there, specially when they feel the need to carry the team.

Yes, he was throwing to steve smith. But there was lil timing, as smith was out all of training camp due to his broken arm. They had 1, maybe 2 weeks of practice to get back into a rythem. The same rookies didn't even play two weeks in a row in preseason.
Rosario is the most inconsistent te on the team.

Nothing from preseason inspired me about the offense.

I find it amazing that you are judging moore from those games? And completely write off the the issues that surrounded the offense.

I've got more games of moore playing well, than I do of him playing bad. When watching them, it is painfully obvious the differences.


I know you have more games of him playing well, they all come in his odd years. :)

Seriously, he stunk bad last year. So did Clausen, St. Pierre, and Pike. You kind of expected it from the latter three, we all thought (hoped) that Moore would be as good as he had shown.

People have been bashing Clausen unmercifully on these boards, and have blamed him for the offensive woes. Moore's experience should put the lie to that. Davidson was awful, the defense and special teams suffered a lot of let-downs, the line was in flux all year, and we were starting way too many rookies. It wasn't a good environment for anyone.

This is going to be a difficult year for Moore. Clausen (and Pike) will both be over their rookie years, and should be much more formidable opponents in training camp. His injury won't fully heal until late summer--he's just now started throwing. He will probably have to contend with another veteran to get the third roster spot (assuming the guys under contract have the other two). Frankly, if I was his agent I would be burning up the phone lines looking for another place for him.

I would love to see him do well. I'm not banking on it though...

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Posted 13 March 2011 - 07:40 PM

I know you have more games of him playing well, they all come in his odd years. :)

Seriously, he stunk bad last year. So did Clausen, St. Pierre, and Pike. You kind of expected it from the latter three, we all thought (hoped) that Moore would be as good as he had shown.

People have been bashing Clausen unmercifully on these boards, and have blamed him for the offensive woes. Moore's experience should put the lie to that. Davidson was awful, the defense and special teams suffered a lot of let-downs, the line was in flux all year, and we were starting way too many rookies. It wasn't a good environment for anyone.

This is going to be a difficult year for Moore. Clausen (and Pike) will both be over their rookie years, and should be much more formidable opponents in training camp. His injury won't fully heal until late summer--he's just now started throwing. He will probably have to contend with another veteran to get the third roster spot (assuming the guys under contract have the other two). Frankly, if I was his agent I would be burning up the phone lines looking for another place for him.

I would love to see him do well. I'm not banking on it though...



Moore has plenty of interest from other teams as I've heard and he's fully healthy ;)

We know you love you some Clausen but no chance he beats out Moore in any competition. Moore is better in every facet of the game than Clausen and the coaching staff will see that. I expect Moore to start next year and return to the player he's shown he is over his career, not over a 3ish game span where he had no help.

The only way Moore isn't starting here is if he decides to sign somewhere else for more money.

#45 mav1234

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Posted 13 March 2011 - 08:36 PM

good to hear Moore's healthy, since last I heard he couldn't throw for some time.


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