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[beach]

I know there's plenty who aren't at all interested in drafting a QB beyond the first or at all (*cough* Scot), but I wanted to get an idea on who people seem to like out of the rest of the bunch for the Panthers. At the least one of these guys will have success in this league imo...so here's the best of the rest:

Ryan Mallett

Colin Kaepernick

Ricky Stanzi

Christian Ponder

Andy Dalton

Jake Locker


Beyond this group, you go into practice squad/ 3rd string territory. Even though I really like McElroy, he has to improve a lot to do well in the NFL. But do consider he has had an incredible amount of success (National title, 24-3 record as a starter, 3.85 GPA, 43 wonderlic, big vertical passing ability). He did have a ton of talent around him, but I like the guy.

The other thing that's on my mind is that I think a decent option could be taking Green or Julio (maybe a trade down?) then taking one of these guys with a higher pick somewhere in the 2nd or early 3rd. Sign a vet who starts, keep Clausen & Moore...let the competition commence.

Anyways...forget all of that, who's your favorite of these QBs?

*expecting 5-10 'none' smartass responses

Cheers

[Mr. Scot]

None

Just kidding. In reality I actually think there are quite a few of these guys who, given enough time, could be successful in the league.

If our situation were different, I could definitely have some interest. Dalton, Stanzi and Kaepernick strike me as good "project" QBs.

(I'd have included Tyrod Taylor in there too)

Edited by Mr Scot, 22 March 2011 - 12:58 PM.

[teeray]

If the rumors around Mallett are overstated or false he will be a really good QB in the NFL IMO

[TheRealDeal]

Mallet will probably be the best but I like Kaepernick the most

[beach]

If the rumors around Mallett are overstated or false he will be a really good QB in the NFL IMO

Those are somewhat my thoughts on Mallett...but he's still a fairly inconsistent player. Along with his Forest Gump-ness & snow white rumors he's pretty much a joke in many eyes. I'm thinking he's probably tried coke a few times like a lot of dudes from the SEC...I mean he was in Arkansas haha. If he really wants it, he's gonna show it and fully commit himself to becoming a great NFL QB. If he does so, I also see a bright future for the kid. :patriot:

But my choice on this group is pending...

[countryboi]

of the guys on that list ryan mallett is clearly the best QB of the bunch the rest of those dudes are a bunch of alsorans

[beach]

None

Just kidding. In reality I actually think there are quite a few of these guys who, given enough time, could be successful in the league.

If our situation were different, I could definitely have some interest. Dalton, Stanzi and Kaepernick strike me as good "project" QBs.

(I'd have included Tyrod Taylor in there too)

I actually go to VT and think Tyrod could eventually do something down the line (2 years +). He actually became a very strong passer rather than a run-first-QB this past year. I'm not much of a stat guy unless they really show improvement every year and he did that in a pretty amazing fashion. I personally think he's a much more developed passer than Mike Vick when he was coming outta here...but of course Vick's arm strength is out of this world. Tyrod needs a lot of work, but could be decent down the road.

Edited by Beach, 22 March 2011 - 01:12 PM.

[teeray]

Ponder is fool's gold to me. In actuality he had a pretty bad week at the Senior Bowl but then had a really good game there. Now everyone is excited about him. I would stay away from him.

I have no idea what to make of Dalton. I think he has a chance to be really good but he is a ginger so I am inclined not to like him.

I don't really like Stanzi as an NFL QB very much. He has a tendency to go brain dead and has a fairly weak arm.

Locker is going to be a bust. Don't be shocked if he slides to the middle of the second round. But also don't be surprised if he is taken by Washington or Seattle.

Colin Kaepernick is very intriguing. There is a lot to like here. He is big, has high RPM's, is very athletic. He has really bad mechanics that have to be fixed. His throwing motion is long and loose so he has accuracy issues. I have consistently said that I would rather have a guy who has accuracy issues bc of his feet rather than his throwing motion bc it is easier to fix. Kaepernick has both. He is what a true project looks like IMO (as opposed to another QB that has been discussed ad nauseum).

But the talent on that guy is very high and he could be a very exciting QB in 3 years.

[Mr. Scot]

Worth remembering that some guys on this list would likely need the right system.

A guy who might not fit in a Coryell offense might look pretty good in a West Coast attack.

Likewise, a guy who probably wouldn't do well in the WCO might look better in a more conventional offense.

[beach]

Worth remembering that some guys on this list would likely need the right system.

A guy who might not fit in a Coryell offense might look pretty good in a West Coast attack.

Likewise, a guy who probably wouldn't do well in the WCO might look better in a more conventional offense.

A few questions:

Do you think Kaepernick would fit best with a WCO?

Who could do the best in Coryell offense in your opinion?

and...is Chud basically going with a Coryell system or a hybrid type?

[Mr. Scot]

A few questions:

Do you think Kaepernick would fit best with a WCO?

Who could do the best in Coryell offense in your opinion?

and...is Chud basically going with a Coryell system or a hybrid type?

I think Kaepernick could, but I don't know that it's definitely his best option.

Hate to say it, but the best Coryell fit could actually be Mallett.

As far as Chudzinski, it'll be his take on it, but don't be surprised if it looks a lot like Norv Turner's offenses. Every coach on the squad has worked directly either for Turner or his Air Coryell mentor, Ernie Zampese.

Edited by Mr Scot, 22 March 2011 - 01:49 PM.

[Mr. Scot]

To give a little more info on what you'd want...

WEST COAST OFFENSE

- Short to medium accuracy is key; the receivers do most of the work
- Big arm is nice to have, but not really necessary
- Timing is extremely important
- Mobility is more important in this system; you want a QB who's a run threat


CORYELL SYSTEM

- Must be able to throw the deep ball effectively (short to medium accuracy still needed, though)
- Plays often take longer to develop, so ability to make reads is tantamount
- Pocket presence and awareness are also extremely important for the same reason
- Ability to run is nice to have, but ability to move in the pocket is much more essential

Using those criteria, you can determine which guys fit better into which systems.

Edited by Mr Scot, 22 March 2011 - 01:50 PM.

[MHS831]

Good question. I love Kaepernick's potential, but Locker's stock is way down and he could explode in the pros. They probaby have the biggest upsides.

[beach]

Good question. I love Kaepernick's potential, but Locker's stock is way down and he could explode in the pros. They probaby have the biggest upsides.

The thing with Locker was that he was all the hype last year, but at the same time only had 58.2% completion with 7.09 ypa. People thought going into this year Jake would show how good he could be. He was expected to excel and further develop as the best QB coming out yet really (I mean really) struggled...with only 6.8 ypa and an astonishingly low 55.4% completion rate. He's got issues and he's the one QB I would never, never touch in this draft.

As mentioned, Kaepernick needs a lot of changes in his throwing motion but definitely shows a lot of promise. For our system, I would pick Stanzi, Dalton, & Mallett over him. Those three fit the best for us out of this class type-wise imo.

[teeray]

Kaepernick had his pro day today and did quite well

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Colin Kaepernick completed 36-of-38 passes at his Pro Day Tuesday. 25 teams in attendance, including #Panthers & #Jaguars QB coaches.