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Walter Main Mock updated: Blaine Gabbert #1

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Darius would probably take more time to develop than the other two, but would help our team more in the long run that either. He would be involved in every defensive play.

I have no problem with this.

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Receivers do not need to catch the ball to be involved in a play. A good receiver does so much more for an offense than just catch the ball, and AJ Green is more than just a good receiver.

By the by. I like Gabbert. He's my favorite quarterback in the draft.

...I still don't want him #1 overall. I don't want any quarterback #1 overall.

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So are you still sticking to your quote in your sig that the Panthers will pick Gabbert?

it's just been my prediction all along, I think it is going to happen, I don't necessarily want it to happen.

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If there was a quarterback without question marks in this draft, none of us would still be debating taking him...

still wouldn't be surprised if we go QB, I just hope we don't.

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Wrong. He has to be involved in AT LEAST every pass play which nowadays is probably on the higher side of 50% plus he's involved on run plays to his side which puts him at being involved in roughly 67% of the plays. His impact will be felt even though he might not be the one actually making the play. He's considered the best player in the draft and if no one separates themselves from the pack at a "Sexy" position, you take the best player that also fills a need. Some say CB isn't a need but it is. Captain is cool and all but he's nothing more than a Nickel and shouldn't be on the field that much.
Ok, I think I need to clarify. First, I love the guy. If we took him I would do a happy dance and look forward to Sundays at BofA Stadium.

I think he would be great in the return game. He would probably get us an extra 10 yards per possession, which is worth tons to me. That's as much as Greene would do, offensively, IMHO.

BUT, teams wouldn't throw to his side that often. Yes, with that statement you have an argument that he would impact 100% of the defensive plays as far as passing the ball is concerned, and then add in the runs to his side. However, if the team goes away from him then my position is that he's not exactly involved in the play. Yes, he influenced it, but he only influenced the direction. And against the run who thinks about cornerbacks?

He would be a good pick, and among all the potential selections he would have the biggest rookie impact. But I think that Darius would be better in the long run.

Maybe you disagree, but do you at least see where my thinking is?

Unbelievable. Unbelievable is all I have to say to that comment.

A threat is not the same as a play. Greene is better than anyone we have, but if a receiver could make an offense then Detroit would be awesome. You might not believe I could make such a comment, but I stand by it. And I bet a lot of Jets fans who watched Keyshawn's impact on that team would stand by it as well.

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Maybe you disagree, but do you at least see where my thinking is?

Of course I disagree because you are wrong but I do think how someone could somehow get to that thought process.

We're not all mentally above average and I don't fault you for that. Thinking that a player shuts down half the field (which I don't think he'll do early) and then saying he's not involved in the play is outrageous. That's like saying Nnamndi doesn't do much during games because no one ever throws at him. It's just crazy talk.

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Last night, I watched all the snaps from Gabbert's games against Nevada and Illinois. They were posted over on Cat Scratch Reader.

With all due respect to folks like Mav, I really do not understand how anyone could look at his production, pocket presence, or athleticism, and say he is the best QB in the draft. Maybe these games were atypical, but based on other videos floating around, it doesn't seem likely.

Just don't see it.

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gabbert winning more than cam? where in high school? Not being the best player on a team that has 2 people who are good enuff to be the number 1 pick i'll take that. Gabbert what has he accomplished? And saying he is more athletic than Cam is the dumbest thing ever posted on the huddle.

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Of course I disagree because you are wrong but I do think how someone could somehow get to that thought process.

We're not all mentally above average and I don't fault you for that. Thinking that a player shuts down half the field (which I don't think he'll do early) and then saying he's not involved in the play is outrageous. That's like saying Nnamndi doesn't do much during games because no one ever throws at him. It's just crazy talk.

There's no need to get personal, we can't all have your high opinion of yourself. :)

A defensive lineman is in on every play, while a cornerback only gets a chance to make a play when the ball is headed towards his side of the field. Further, on running plays there's no way the cornerback has much of an impact. At least, I haven't seen the cornerback who's known for his run-stuffing prowess.

So, take out half the plays right here. Then you get to the passing game, where again, a great cornerback forces throws to the other side of the field. Or to the slot. Or to the tight end. Or to the outlet running back.

Yes, Nmadi can shut down the opposing team's top wide receiver, and Peterson may be that type of player as well. But a top cornerback can either cover a zone (short or long), or take out a player in man. He simply can't be involved in every defensive play the way that a lineman can. It's the nature of the position.

So while I think that Peterson would be a better selection than Greene, I just don't see where a cornerback would be preferable to a defensive tackle. If Peterson wasn't such a great return man, I doubt he would be in consideration for the top pick at all.

There's a reason why a cornerback has never gone number one. You probably think it's because no GM in history has ever been as wise as you, but I kind of think it's because it's too expensive a pick for the position.

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Did you really just bring that up? He isn't as good as Gabbert at winning? Interesting.

Gabbert has won more than Newton. A lot more. In fact, Gabbert does more winning with less support than Cam will ever do.

Cam is all hype and when it comes down to it, rode the coattails of his teammates with superior talent to hand him a championship. NFL coaches realize this. Scouts realize this. Most experts realize this. Most importantly Cam realizes this. He knew he wasn't even the top two best players on his own team let alone the field that night and really all season so he tried to score a throw away touchdown so you homers would look at his stats and say "See, LOOK HOW GOOD HE IS!" when reality paints a different picture.

This is the essence that is Cam Newton. It's all about Cam. He didn't care that they were going to win a NC, because in life that doesn't matter. No one really cares about winning national championships in the grand scheme of things but Cam wanted his extra 15 minutes of fame by having 3 TDs and 2 turnovers instead of 2 TDs and 2 turnovers.

Gabbert is more athletic than Cam but chose to focus on being a passer in college and not some "exciting" athlete and he proved it at the combine. He didn't need to throw, everyone knew he was a better passer than Cam but when he ran and proved he was more athletic as well, well that was the first nail in the Cam Newton coffin.

Cam put a few in his own coffin but by and large, Gabbert is burying Cam in this whole process and it's a deep fuking whole.

I would single out the dumbest parts of this post but there would be nothing left.

questions-

Did you really mean to say Gabbert has won more than Cam?

Cam is wrong for having 3 tds instead of 2?

Gabbert is more athletic?

Either you love talking out your ass or like to just piss off people with stupidity or you have the best weed in town. I think it's all three.

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I've given it out a few times but I'm really torn right now between maybe 3 guys.

I like Dareus, PP7, Green in no particular order yet

You guys who are afraid of Newt are so indecisive. Lol. You guys dont know what you want. Every day its a different guy for #1.

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You guys who are afraid of Newt are so indecisive. Lol. You guys dont know what you want. Every day its a different guy for #1.

strangely enough, the Panthers have said the same thing.

hmm. Maybe it's because there is no clear cut #1 in this draft.

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