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Did Nawrocki cross the line?

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There is no doubt that some of this he has brought on himself and he deserves some scrutiny and due diligence for sure. I just don't remember the highly polarized reports virtually contradicting themselves depending on the reporter. Perhaps it is because posters are constantly bringing them up on this message board every day so I am bombarded with crap constantly. And the lack of free agency makes the draft the only news right now. Still I have been a football fan for 40 years and this one has been as contentious as I can remember.

I totally agree this has been contentious. I just don't think there has been a prospect at #1 with the history of Cam Newton. There's been guys with questions but never with the kind of history of Newton that I can recall. He's just extremely polarizing because of his past, his skill set, and how people think he will transition.

This forum has really gone to poo when it comes to the Newton posts, tbh. I'm part of the bile that fills these posts, I know. But man, it's just one giant fuging circle. We've covered every bit of it now.

I really hope the lockout ends and FA gets going soon.

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It is also amazing to realize that most of our targets at number 1 have had at least minor issues (Gabbert excluded):

PP - Possible $80,000 payoff

Dareus - 2 game suspension for improper contact with an agent

Newton - Well documented

A.J. Green - 4 game suspension for selling his jersey

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It is also amazing to realize that most of our targets at number 1 have had at least minor issues (Gabbert excluded):

PP - Possible $80,000 payoff

Dareus - 2 game suspension for improper contact with an agent

Newton - Well documented

A.J. Green - 4 game suspension for selling his jersey

Bowers- knee

Fairley- takes plays off

Quinn- suspension

Gabbert and Miller are the only top guys who are squeaky clean.

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I totally agree this has been contentious. I just don't think there has been a prospect at #1 with the history of Cam Newton. There's been guys with questions but never with the kind of history of Newton that I can recall. He's just extremely polarizing because of his past, his skill set, and how people think he will transition.

This forum has really gone to poo when it comes to the Newton posts, tbh. I'm part of the bile that fills these posts, I know. But man, it's just one giant fuging circle. We've covered every bit of it now.

I really hope the lockout ends and FA gets going soon.

The "contentious" part is an annual thing. Some of the debates you're seeing here are nothing compared to the Manning-Leaf, Manning-Rivers, Smith-Rodgers debates (all involved bigger franchises and more highly thought of prospects).

The legal aspect of the discussion? In the past decade or so, there have been a fair share of prospects that wound up in the top five who had major legal concerns - Pac Man Jones being the most infamous - but none of them were quarterbacks.

I haven't looked at every single year mind you, but to get a quarterback that had this particular kind of question against him you might have to go back as far as Art Schlichter.

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Manning-Leaf was crazy. The Colts had PIs following each guy around to gather info on them, lol. I wonder how common that is.

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I know there were loads of questions about Ryan Leaf's maturity and JaMarcus Russell's work ethic, among other things.

As far as actual legal/criminal issues, I'd have to look back.

The only one that springs immediately to mind is Warren Sapp (failed drug test). You could say Dez Bryant last year, but I don't know that he was a legit #1 candidate.

Lets look at this year. Peterson seems to have recruting issues as well and yet I don't see many folks other than you saying that it changes their mind about picking him for example. There are still folks saying pick him despite the fact that his past is shady and he scored the lowest wonderlic of any top prospect right next to Green's very low score as well.

If you look back at Vince Young, sure the comment was made was made that his mother was a prostitute but did anyone really trash him because his father was in and out of prison most of his life and he admitted being a gang member as a youth. The fact is he was in fights and conflicts in high school.

There were numerous incidents a the end of college where he:

It was the intangibles, however, that concerned many. When the Longhorns were invited to the White House to receive congratulations from President Bush, Vince showed up in jeans and a sweatshirt, while his teammates came in suit and tie. He skipped an important meeting with Reebok and blew off commissioner Paul Tagliabue’s party at the Super Bowl. He also scored low on the Wonderlic Test, which measures a player’s ability to absorb NFL playbooks. Rumors circulated that Vince had a scored a six out of 50, which the test administrators said was untrue. His actual score was never reported.

Colt Brennan wasn't the top pick but he has legal issues and spent time in jail while in junior college before going to Hawaii.

But one night in January 2004, Brennan’s world went spinning. After a night of drinking, he was accused of sexual assault, indecent exposure, burglary and criminal trespass by a female neighbor.

In September of that year, a jury found him guilty of unlawful sexual contact, but a judge dismissed the charge three months later. Still, Brennan was found guilty of second-degree burglary and first-degree criminal trespass for not leaving the woman’s room in a timely manner.

He was sentenced to seven days in jail, one night of which he spent with a cellmate charged with attempted murder. He also completed 60 hours of community service, picking up trash, and is currently serving four years’ probation.

I don't remember a huge outcry when he was drafted.

And the list goes on.

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Colt Brennan wasn't the top pick but he has legal issues and spent time in jail while in junior college before going to Hawaii.

I don't remember a huge outcry when he was drafted.

And the list goes on.

LOL at you comparing a potential #1 pick to a guy who was a 6th round pick

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LOL at you comparing a potential #1 pick to a guy who was a 6th round pick

You always seems to miss the point. Some folks thought he was a first or second rounder and the point was that his legal issues were not documented and discussed like Newton.

How about this one:

http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/2010/10/ryan_leaf_got_paid_by_an_agent.php

With all the conversation and scrutiny between Manning and Leaf, how did it not come out that Leaf frequented his agent's house for booze, women and money. Apparently it was well known among the players on the team.

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probably because taking money from agents happens so much NFL teams don't give a poo about it and didn't care to expose it when they found out about it... if they found out about it. Luchs lost Leaf before the draft.

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Twitter and the Blogosphere weren't in force back then like they are now. Neither were the sports channels quite the mega-titans that they are today.

One thing that can legitimately be said is that there are more resources devoted to coverage of this stuff now than at any time in history.

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Twitter and the Blogosphere weren't in force back then like they are now. Neither were the sports channels quite the mega-titans that they are today.

One thing that can legitimately be said is that there are more resources devoted to coverage of this stuff now than at any time in history.

That is my point. The scrutiny he is under is unprecedented. If people looked as hard at other Qbs over the years as they have at him, there would be skeletons in everyone's closet.

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That is my point. The scrutiny he is under is unprecedented. If people looked as hard at other Qbs over the years as they have at him, there would be skeletons in everyone's closet.

I disagree with this. Nobody had to look hard to find out about his arrest or his involvement in the pay to play scandal, because it wasn't just him taking money from an agent but his father trying to sell him to a school... which is what PP is now getting a lot of flack for. Now, did the twitter/blog poo contribute to the cheating allegations? That is very possible.

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