Jump to content


Photo
- - - - -

Paul Ryan


  • Please log in to reply
74 replies to this topic

#1 stirs

stirs

    I Reckon So

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 10,449 posts

Posted 05 April 2011 - 09:44 AM

Paul Ryan = courage
Obama = cowardice

I wish Ryan had gone even further with cuts in Military and telling folks at 50 and under, that their retirement age would be 70.

But what a contrast in someone who is willing to take a bullet which are already being fired at him, to someone whose constantly hiding from issues and has zero leadership capabilities.

Whether you agree with Ryan or not, he is the only one acting like an adult.
We have big issues and everyone says "someone needs to step up". Ryan has and the typical, cowardly, panty waste liberal will only stand back and fire at him just trying to score political points

#2 g5jamz

g5jamz

    Is back

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 18,329 posts

Posted 05 April 2011 - 09:50 AM

Yep...love it.

but he's "extreme"!!!

Response...our debts levels ARE EXTREME!!!

#3 g5jamz

g5jamz

    Is back

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 18,329 posts

Posted 05 April 2011 - 10:08 AM

Posted Image

#4 cookinwithgas

cookinwithgas

    Grey Poupon Elitest Trash

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 22,960 posts

Posted 05 April 2011 - 10:21 AM

Yeah it's courageous to make health care impossible to get.

April 4, 2011
THE REPUBLICAN PLAN TO 'ESSENTIALLY END MEDICARE'.... It seems like quite a while ago, but just last fall, Republicans blanketed the airwaves with campaign ads, attacking Democrats for "cutting Medicare." The criticisms were substantively ridiculous, but offensive took its toll and contributed to the GOP takeover of the House.

Six months later, those same House Republicans have an ambitious new plan to effectively destroy the entire Medicare system. Sorry, voters, you fell for a con.

Republicans will present this week a 2012 budget proposal that would cut more than $4 trillion from federal spending projected over the next decade and transform the Medicare health program for the elderly, a move that will dramatically reshape the budget debate in Washington.

The budget has been prepared by Rep. Paul Ryan, a Wisconsin Republican and the new chairman of the House Budget Committee, and it represents the most complete attempt so far by Republicans to make good on their promises during the 2010 midterm elections to cut government spending and deficits. [...]

The plan would essentially end Medicare, which now pays most of the health-care bills for 48 million elderly and disabled Americans, as a program that directly pays those bills.

After "essentially ending Medicare," Republicans intend to replace it with a privatized system. It's exactly the idea Paul Ryan has promised to pursue for quite a while -- and precisely why GOP candidates were so reluctant to endorse the radical "roadmap" plan before the election.

As part of the sales pitch, the House GOP will assure today's seniors that they will continue to enjoy their popular system of socialized, single-payer health care. As Matt Yglesias put it, Republicans will then tell younger workers that they'll "get to pay the high taxes to finance old people's generous single-payer health care system, but then we won't get to benefit from it."

Paul Ryan told Fox News yesterday that his radical plan is necessary to find cost savings, but even that's wrong. Paul Krugman explained this morning, "Privatizing and voucherizing Medicare does nothing whatsoever to control costs.... I'm sure that the Republicans will claim savings -- but those savings will come entirely from limiting the vouchers to below the rate of rise in health care costs; in effect, they will come from denying medical care to those who can't afford to top up their premiums."

And in terms of implementation of such a plan, the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities' Paul Van de Water explained that, if adopted, this privatization scheme would mean "Medicare beneficiaries would no longer have access to a guaranteed set of health benefits but would instead receive a voucher to be used to purchase private health insurance. Similarly, the federal government would no longer pay a specified share of states' Medicaid costs but would pay each state only a fixed amount, or block grant. The amount of the Medicare voucher and the Medicaid block grant would grow less rapidly than costs and hence would become increasingly inadequate over time."

In other words, seniors would get a voucher, but its value wouldn't keep up with costs. This would save the government money, but screw over those in need of care.

Again, I realize Republicans and the far-right believe there's a strong public appetite for extremist moves like this one, but there isn't. The party knows this at a certain level -- it's why they won in 2010, railing against Medicare cuts -- but has decided to swing for the right-wing fence anyway.

The politics of this are likely to be fascinating, setting up a critical showdown. Democrats were up to the task in 2005, when conservative ideologues tried to privatize Social Security, and must be similarly prepared in 2011.


Now it's the Republicans that will be "pulling the plug on Grandma" and "having Big Government decide if you live or die".

The best part is of course Medicaid/Medicare costs skyrocketed under Bush and he Republicans senior citizen votes for healthcare giveaways.

#5 Nicks To The Colts

Nicks To The Colts

    shitpost around the clock

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 9,555 posts
  • LocationChapel Hill

Posted 05 April 2011 - 10:25 AM

Yeah it's courageous to make health care impossible to get.


Now it's the Republicans that will be "pulling the plug on Grandma" and "having Big Government decide if you live or die".

The best part is of course Medicaid/Medicare costs skyrocketed under Bush and he Republicans senior citizen votes for healthcare giveaways.


Quick somebody alert the Tea Party. Big gubmint is making medical decisions for people and Barney Frank is giving colonoscopies all over the place.

#6 stirs

stirs

    I Reckon So

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 10,449 posts

Posted 05 April 2011 - 10:43 AM

Typical
you guys should be in DC helping your party

Stand back, offer nothing, point fingers and make snarky comments. Buy hey, Obama is your leader, what else could be expected

#7 VA BEACH PANTHER

VA BEACH PANTHER

    Member

  • NEWB
  • PipPip
  • 33 posts

Posted 05 April 2011 - 10:47 AM

republicans doing what they do best = nothing. democrats just as bad for not having the balls to call them out on it.

#8 Epistaxis

Epistaxis

    Senior Member

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,182 posts

Posted 05 April 2011 - 11:33 AM

Pick your boogeyman.

Debt out the yang or death squads.




I'll take my chances on the death squads, seems like a more theoretical adversary.
Plenty of good scare tactics for everybody's use though, on both sides of the aisle.

#9 rodeo

rodeo

    Keelah se'lai

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 15,461 posts

Posted 05 April 2011 - 11:40 AM

Stand back, offer nothing, point fingers and make snarky comments.

GOP campaign strategy.

#10 cookinwithgas

cookinwithgas

    Grey Poupon Elitest Trash

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 22,960 posts

Posted 05 April 2011 - 11:41 AM

Typical
you guys should be in DC helping your party

Stand back, offer nothing, point fingers and make snarky comments. Buy hey, Obama is your leader, what else could be expected


If this guy had balls he'd call for this voucher thing to start NOW. Exempting the largest Republican voting demographic from his plan is the opposite of courage.

The best way to get the debt under control is to grow the economy and get money into circulation. The dot-com boom of the 90's is what gave us a surplus, not any cost cutting plan designed to make a voting bloc happy. Over the past year corporations have been making record profits but not hiring or investing. That money needs to get out there.

#11 Epistaxis

Epistaxis

    Senior Member

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,182 posts

Posted 05 April 2011 - 11:57 AM

What surplus?

#12 g5jamz

g5jamz

    Is back

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 18,329 posts

Posted 05 April 2011 - 11:59 AM

He's calling for the rid of corporate welfare and tax loopholes too.



Can one single liberal tell me when was the last budget the democrats passed both houses of congress? I'm not talking continuing resolutions...I'm talking an actual budget WITH forecasts.

#13 cookinwithgas

cookinwithgas

    Grey Poupon Elitest Trash

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 22,960 posts

Posted 05 April 2011 - 12:08 PM

So does every other single politician that has ever walked the earth.

#14 g5jamz

g5jamz

    Is back

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 18,329 posts

Posted 05 April 2011 - 12:12 PM

So does every other single politician that has ever walked the earth.


All Reid has to do is get it passed...Obama sign it...and we're off.

#15 g5jamz

g5jamz

    Is back

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 18,329 posts

Posted 05 April 2011 - 12:13 PM

Paul Ryan is the same dude that took the Obamacare law to the meeting with Obama and leaders....he succintly pointed out multiple issues with it only to be ignored as he stood in Obama's path of his legacy.


0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users

Contact Us: info@carolinahuddle.com - IP Content Design by Joshua Tree / TitansReport.