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#61 SgtJoo

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Posted 07 April 2011 - 06:55 AM

Reform and hacking to death are two separate things...

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Posted 07 April 2011 - 07:54 AM

Reform and hacking to death are two separate things...


I think that every item Ryan has laid out, he's offered offsetting items.

For instance...for the corporate tax rate to be lowered...he's talked about removing all corporate welfare payouts and tax incentives. Make GE pay a flat tax. Enough with legislative pandering and "kickbacks through legislation".

For Medicare, sure..."privatize" in the sense of what we have with the prescription drug plan we have now. Put the choice in the people's hands while a safety net is there (increased subsidies) for the truly needy.


Quit being melodramatic and make offers. Liberals are showing zero leadership...they're fine with the status quo. Are you?

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Posted 07 April 2011 - 12:06 PM

thats bullshit they've already offered cuts and you know it.

This isn't melodrama, it's peoples lives. People that have worked all their lives for people that have made their fortunes off of their backs, and now it's a great idea to take away the one remaining thing they have to look forward to in old age now that pensions and corporate paid health care have gone the way of the dinosaur while the rich get 200,000 dollar fountains that pee.

Your simplistic GE argument has been thouroughly debunked btw. I agree that corporate tax loopholes can be closed - but of course a year ago, Tea Partiers argued that these were needed to keep companies from leaving the US.

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Posted 07 April 2011 - 12:26 PM

thats bullpoo they've already offered cuts and you know it.

This isn't melodrama, it's peoples lives. People that have worked all their lives for people that have made their fortunes off of their backs, and now it's a great idea to take away the one remaining thing they have to look forward to in old age now that pensions and corporate paid health care have gone the way of the dinosaur while the rich get 200,000 dollar fountains that pee.

Your simplistic GE argument has been thouroughly debunked btw. I agree that corporate tax loopholes can be closed - but of course a year ago, Tea Partiers argued that these were needed to keep companies from leaving the US.


You lower overall corporate tax rates to "keep companies from leaving the country".

After the bank bailouts and the amounts going to even overseas banks/entities...you would rather keep keep that system of political payback rather than an overall flat tax?

As for the medicare changes, I don't remember those being guarantees to anyone. Social security sure...and I know the retirement age increase is looked upon as bad, but even the debt commission recognized that HAS to be done.

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Posted 07 April 2011 - 12:47 PM

lol lower corporate tax rate? How do you get lower than 0?

Oh I know, subsidize them. We already do that.

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Posted 07 April 2011 - 12:48 PM

lol lower corporate tax rate? How do you get lower than 0?

Oh I know, subsidize them. We already do that.


Did you miss the remove subsidies, tax breaks, and bailout monies?

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Posted 07 April 2011 - 01:20 PM

lol lower corporate tax rate? How do you get lower than 0?

Oh I know, subsidize them. We already do that.


Thank you, green incentives.

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Posted 07 April 2011 - 01:22 PM

WashPo calls out Pelosi's lies/bull

http://www.washingto...og.html?hpid=z1

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Posted 07 April 2011 - 01:46 PM

lol lower corporate tax rate? How do you get lower than 0?

Oh I know, subsidize them. We already do that.


corp tax rate and taxes PAID are MUCH dif. this seems to be a liberal's mantra when this topic comes up.

So right now, you are going on record as saying there is NO corp tax rate and that it's ZERO?

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Posted 07 April 2011 - 04:51 PM

This isn't melodrama, it's peoples lives.


Melodrama.