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GM, Chrysler ask for another $21.6 billion

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I asked with the first stimulus/bailout where did it stop ?

So far my suspicions are correct.

helllll to the naw.

They will get their money

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not if we put our heads together. i'm PM you my plan.

You mean you are going to vote republican to shift the balance ?

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You mean you are going to vote republican to shift the balance ?

exactly. republicans just hate corporate handouts.

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The only problem with refusing GM and Chrysler a bailout is that a lot more jobs will be lost. Unemployment is already bad enough. The jobs lost wouldn't just be confined to GM and Chrysler either. You've got suppliers and contractors that depend on them. Not to mention the local communities where these jobs are located...restaurants, supermarkets, etc. etc. This country has been moving more and more away from manufacturing jobs to service industry jobs, but I don't think the service industry could put all these people to work.

I'd rather have people working for a living than living on unemployment checks.

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exactly. republicans just hate corporate handouts.

errr vote libertarian ? ;)

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Break the unions = fix the problem.

The unions aren't the problem. I was in the UAW, but I was no fan of it. The union does have its problems but the real problem with the Big 3 is no innovation in car design and marketing.

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I agree, I was being to simplistic.

Lack of innovations + Unions+ idiots running the show = the problem.

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I agree, I was being to simplistic.

Lack of innovations + Unions+ idiots running the show = the problem.

Unlike many people that have never worked in a union and know absolutely nothing about it other than what they've read, I understand both sides. The unions have helped bring about safety standards and living standards that would never have been possible without them. On the other hand they have forced some corporations into making bad business decisions...such as the job pool for the UAW, which makes the company pay workers who would have otherwise been laid off. There is really a lot more to it than just a couple of issues. But overall I blame the downfall of the Big 3 to what I pointed out in my previous post. They got lazy. While the Jap's were designing cars with better fuel efficiency and better quality in most cases, the Big 3 kept pumping out the same poo with very little innovation. They have really been making progress in the past couple of years, particularly Ford and GM but it is a case of a little too little, a little too late.

Toyota didn't gain the #1 market share in the auto industry because of lazy car design and poor marketing. They outsmarted Ford, GM, and Chrysler. That's the bottom line.

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